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14:10:01 [hello] helloeagle layout 4.15 keygen
19:59:41 [hello] helloeagle layout 4.15 keygen
20:00:07 [O.K.] ?????eagle layout 4.15 keygen
20:00:28 [O.K.] what the hell is helloeagle layout 4.15 keygen
22:25:59 [doncung] hmm.... when is the professor coming?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
22:45:02 [padVasu] heyeagle layout 4.15 keygen
22:59:37 [Thetis] evening, all. How's the studying going? What are your questions?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:00:23 [kshama] when did we discuss ion in lecture?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:00:42 [Thetis] kshama: we haven't really, yet.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:00:50 [Anthony] Hi, everyone!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:01:07 [myang83] can we go over the thematic significance of cloaks?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:01:12 [kshama] oh because it was on the reading schedule and i was wondering how much i should focus on looking at it for the midtermeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:01:23 [Thetis] yikes. I'm auditioning a new borwser, and it's worse than explorer for these purposes. I'll be right back.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:02:31 [Anthony] Kshama - we'll be bringing in the Ion more for discussion in lecture probably on Thursday - meanwhile I just reckon you've probably familiarised yourself with the text.... and I know some sections have already looked at it.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:02:35 [wens88] hello everyone, this is my first time coming to the chatroomseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:02:38 [singularty] what kind of things do we discuss about the passage? it is not identification correcteagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:03:51 [wens88] if we don't need to identify the passages, how do we put the passage in context when discussing its significance?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:04:22 [myang83] do we only have to write on 1 passage? given a choice of how many?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:04:32 [barbanator] why are all the little people white??eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:04:42 [Thetis] hi anthony. what's on the agenda for tongiht?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:05:25 [Anthony] Remember the analogy I gave in lecture.... a friend of yours is reading a text for the first time and comes to you saying "I gather you're the expert on Greek Myth, tell me what I need to know (background, assumptions etc) in order to understand how this passage really works....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:06:15 [Anthony] Hi, rebecca. How's your browser? I thought I would just see what questions there are first....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:06:46 [Anthony] Yes, just one passage - pick one out of a selection of two or three....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:06:51 [dazeus4eva] where are the answers????eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:07:08 [Thetis] What questions do you all have, apart from the format of the midterm?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:07:11 [Anthony] [My little people are lots of nice different colors....]eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:07:29 [singularty] I'm considering writing my paper on hermeseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:07:37 [Thetis] [i like that the girls are in blue, and the boys are in pink.]eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:07:41 [singularty] but I can't really find anything to formulate a thesiseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:07:51 [singularty] what's with the whiteeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:08:03 [steenja23] I was confused about nestor and neleus..both are wise mine from pylos..are they the same people?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:08:05 [kshama] just to be consistent with grading, my gsi said that for the ids, we can answer in a bullet format, meaning it doesn't have to be in prose formeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:08:20 [Thetis] singularty: ask yourself what is interesting to you about hermes, and a thesis should come out of thateagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:08:44 [singularty] hermes is interesting...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:09:17 [singularty] I was looking info up and it said that he appears in greek myth more than any other god, which is completely understandable as he is the messengereagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:09:23 [singularty] he's also like the god of everything, heheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:09:24 [myang83] about how long are our answers expected to be? for ids and passageeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:09:29 [Thetis] OK, there are lots of people here. surely one of you has a question?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:09:31 [wens88] for the id's, my gsi said that the more the better, but is there an amount that is consider sufficient?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:09:52 [Anthony] Yes, I'm not so bothered about 'prose style' for this mid-term. Content, info, ideas, evidence of thinking about how all this fits together etc. are much more importanteagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:10:16 [bludragn82] yeah there is...they said to kep it well written but dont drag on with the id;seagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:10:26 [bludragn82] keep*eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:10:29 [steenja23] I'm still confused about neleus and nestoreagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:10:58 [padVasu] are we expected to analyze the relationships more than we did in lecture?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:11:01 [Thetis] For the IDs, my general guideline is a short paragraph--long enough to convey the important peices of information, but son't make too much of iteagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:11:01 [s_harrison] With the passages...what exactly are we expected to state in our answer? how in detail should our answers be?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:11:08 [viri] who is julian the apostateeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:11:18 [Tahoerule] Ok, well i have a question, could you explain if the position of "leader" and "chorus" were common in all plays of the time, or just some of the plays we read?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:11:23 [Anthony] Wendy, we have no predetermined notions about 'length'. As you know, one person can fill a page with nothing, and another can pack half a page full of ideas and stimulating suggestionseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:11:25 [bludragn82] my GSI had given a good idea, pick out the ID's and then go first to the essay/passage...then go back to the id'seagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:11:49 [dazeus4eva] how do i change my buddy icon???eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:11:49 [Thetis] for the passage, you'll probably need at least a page--there will be a lot to say about each of them, so plan acordingly.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:12:15 [wens88] ok, thank you prof. bulloch, that was informativeeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:12:21 [Thetis] but make sure to spend an equal amoutn of time on each section, to ensure that you're giving each part the same considerationeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:12:21 [myang83] for the ID's is it really pick 4 ids out of 24 given choices? or did i misunderstand?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:12:41 [Anthony] [For more info on how the chatroom works, and what you can change and set, click on the Query/Help icon bottom left]eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:13:13 [Thetis] tahoerule: every greek play had a chorus, and every chorus had a leadereagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:13:25 [Anthony] Yes, correct: pick 4 out of about 24eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:13:32 [dazeus4eva] thanks =)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:13:36 [bapy] so the basic idea is to tie in how it fits into grrek myths as a whole?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:13:42 [lizzie] Pad: what do you mean?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:13:49 [bludragn82] quick question...would we be docked points if some ideas of themes had reoccurred in both the id's and essay portion?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:14:01 [singularty] when is professor's office hourseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:14:06 [Thetis] steenja: nestor and neleus are two different people--son and father? son and grandfather? related, as far as I can remember, but not the same.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:14:17 [dazeus4eva] they are overeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:14:36 [singularty] I'm just curiouseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:14:38 [Anthony] Hey, everyone: please remember that this mid-term is designed NOT to trip you up and see how many things you can get wrong (or forget!), but to give you an opportunity to show how much you have done and how much you really understand and have ideas about how Greek Myth all works....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:14:42 [singularty] cause I need help on my papereagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:14:43 [dazeus4eva] THE MIDTERM IS TOMORROW.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:15:07 [singularty] shrugeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:15:12 [singularty] midterm shoudln't be soo badeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:15:30 [singularty] as long as you've read and gone to lecture... not that I've done all the reading intentlyeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:15:41 [Anthony] Singularty: I'll be glad to talk with you about your paper. My office hours are posted on the first day's handout.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:15:42 [boitaojai] There are so many names and relationships...I don't know where to focus my studieseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:15:42 [lizzie] Neleus=father of Nestoreagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:15:55 [Heptaptimi] hey there everyoneeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:16:06 [Thetis] singularty: for help on your paper, go talk to your GSIeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:16:06 [steenja23] thankseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:16:07 [chicapu10] just to be sure, if we cannot remember the name, but we know the background of the person, we won't have points deducted right?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:16:24 [fifty] what are some of the main themes which the id's and passages can be tied back to?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:16:40 [Anthony] BlueDragon: I'll be asking you not to repeat yourself, obviously. In a common-sense way. Of course a lot of the material overlaps....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:16:52 [bludragn82] i think thats right chicaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:16:53 [steenja23] what is significant about helen mimicing the voices of the wives of the greek soldiers as they sit in the horse?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:17:24 [bludragn82] alrighty. thanx prof bullocheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:17:25 [Anthony] Chicapu - names: correct. This is not a multiple choice quizz with a separate hoop-jumping section.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:17:30 [steenja23] i don't really understand why she does thateagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:17:37 [Thetis] steenja: within the context of Euripides, what do you think?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:18:03 [Thetis] and fifty: well, what are themes that have been emphasized in lecture?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:18:12 [Anthony] (On the other hand, if you can't remember a single name of the people who are in that epic whose name you can't remember that takes place in that country which is somewhere south of the US.....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:18:36 [goldsonic9] xenia and succession are twoeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:18:50 [bludragn82] well i am outta here.........good luck everyone!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:03 [fifty] order vs disorder, flexibility of mytheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:12 [wens88] bye everyone, good luck studying =)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:12 [Thetis] golsonic: you. everyone: other big themes?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:23 [steenja23] what play in euripides?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:38 [boitaojai] the role of womeneagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:43 [Anthony] Boitaojai: "so many names and relationships".... OK, but what would you say are some of the absolutely most significant? and what are some of the most common underlying *types* of relationships you've observed so far?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:46 [steenja23] rival mothers is a theme.i.e medea, ino, nepheleeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:52 [boitaojai] as in Medea, Calypso, etceagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:19:53 [bapy] nostoseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:09 [snowlily] what is Themis?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:10 [Thetis] boitaojai: what about the role of women, specifically?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:18 [goldsonic9] the whole wife jealousy thingeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:19 [Kel] geneologyeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:25 [O.K.] what is nostos?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:28 [steenja23] themis is the second wife to zeuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:35 [steenja23] did they have the fates?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:37 [goldsonic9] and the bringing foreign women homeeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:38 [thsueh] hey what's nostos againeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:44 [steenja23] or the furies?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:45 [chicapu10] i thought themis was a "seer"eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:52 [Anthony] I'm impressed: you're doing well, everyone...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:52 [snowlily] ok. thanks steenjaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:20:53 [Thetis] you both got it, steenja and boitaojai. too speedy for me!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:21:01 [snowlily] wait, so what is it?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:21:12 [O.K.] Themis, 2nd wife of zeus or just mistress????eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:21:21 [boitaojai] like in agamemnon and clytemnestra...never underestimate their power....and like in Medea and her treacherous motiveseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:21:22 [Thetis] steenja: who do you mean by "they"?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:21:22 [steenja23] fates or furies?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:21:33 [steenja23] zeus and themiseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:21:43 [Anthony] nostos = 'return/homecoming' (in the Greek sense!)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:22:19 [lizzie] and the concept "themis" means what is established by custom/law/traditioneagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:22:23 [chicapu10] just wondering but is Brigit in here?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:22:46 [Thetis] steenja: do you mean have as in "give birth to?"eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:22:47 [snowlily] what is kourotrophos?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:22:50 [Anthony] Chicapu: 'Themis' means something like what we would call 'Law of Nature'. It's what naturally is and cannot be changed or altered by simple practice or customeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:23:12 [steenja23] yes...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:23:32 [steenja23] did zeus and themis give birth to the fates or the furies or niether?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:23:59 [Thetis] no, the Furies didn't comeout of the union of Zeus and Themis. What are the origins of the Furies?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:24:14 [Anthony] Kourotrophos means 'nurturer of children'....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:24:23 [steenja23] the testicles of uranuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:24:28 [steenja23] sorry i got confusedeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:24:32 [snowlily] they came from kronos blood right?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:24:46 [fifty] how does ION relate to evertything besides the whole mother trying to kill offspring themeeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:24:50 [O.K.] What is Themis, "established by law" or Zeus's mistress or wife?:???eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:24:54 [viri] who or what are the dardanelles...does that have anything to do with hellesponteagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:24:56 [snowlily] yeah when he got castrated.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:25:01 [Anthony] [Haven't seen Brigit here yet.]eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:25:03 [lizzie] Yes, for the fates (Moirai). Who else resulted from the union of Zeus and Themis?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:25:24 [Anthony] O.K. - the answer is 'both'.... Now how would that be?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:25:31 [Thetis] steenja: you were right the first time, sort of. they come from the blood spattered by Ouranos' castration.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:25:47 [snowlily] professor, do we have to be that familiar with who came from who?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:25:51 [s_harrison] is it more important to focus on the primary texts or classical mythology/greek myths/atlas?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:25:52 [Anthony] Oh, Hi Lizzie!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:26:19 [Thetis] What is the raison d'etre of the Furies?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:26:20 [lizzie] Viri: they are one and the sameeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:26:35 [O.K.] Professor, would it be because she is created by Zeus and Zeus is the "supreme law of the land"?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:26:42 [Thetis] yay! Lizzie's here!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:26:58 [lorca] justiceeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:27:03 [lizzie] I've been here for awhile, just taking it all in!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:27:40 [singularty] do any of the GSI's have any type of focus relative with hermes?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:27:40 [lizzie] Viri: to clarify, the straits near Troy, connecting the Sea of Marmara with the Aegean, separating Europe and Asiaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:27:55 [Thetis] lizzie: awesome, isn't it?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:28:12 [Anthony] O.K.: as I remember Themis is already in existence when Zeus comes about, isn't that right? What would that signify?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:28:23 [thsueh] does the midterm cover ion and trojan womeneagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:28:44 [snowlily] yepeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:28:45 [Thetis] thsueh: yes, it does.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:28:52 [thsueh] ok thankseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:28:59 [viri] thank you lizzieeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:29:01 [ginahwang] how many ID's, terms, locations, and etc are goin to be in part one?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:29:08 [snowlily] more vocab: what is Ship of Stateeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:29:34 [Thetis] gina: you'll choose 4 out of 25 or soeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:29:42 [Anthony] Just to be clear, the material that is 'legit' for the mid-term is whatever is on the Reading Schedule up through Week 7. On the other hand I am aware that we haven't yet covered the Ion in detail in lecture yet....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:29:52 [myang83] are the id's going to be just people? or more?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:30:02 [Heptaptimi] do we need to know any Iliad figureseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:30:04 [ginahwang] does it have to be one from each? for instance..can i choose 4 people and no locationseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:30:12 [O.K.] Professor, I still can't make the connection between Themis and .... themis "law"eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:30:21 [Thetis] myang: places, and key terms, are fair gameeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:30:25 [Anthony] IDs will be one word items....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:30:36 [snowlily] i think id's are more than just people (ie oikos, kleos, , )eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:30:36 [fifty] zeus is the upholder of laweagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:31:20 [chicapu10] Can anyone give a bit of a background on gilgamesheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:31:30 [bapy] what is kleos?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:31:32 [Anthony] O.K.: Themis is an interesting character. She 'is' / 'stands for' the way things are naturally in the universe....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:31:36 [O.K.] I can understant that he is the upholder, but what does it have to do with his mistresseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:31:54 [Thetis] chicapu: what do you want to know?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:32:10 [lizzie] OK: How does Zeus become the upholder of law?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:32:10 [goldsonic9] kleos is like the fame you receive from a usually heroic deedeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:32:19 [O.K.] kleos is the idea of being remembered as a hero (right professor?)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:32:24 [Anthony] ....and since there was a shape to things early on Themis is born from the first beings that came into existence....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:32:28 [goldsonic9] like achilles wanted kleoseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:32:41 [chicapu10] Thetis: it's under the theme qeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:32:50 [chicapu10] oopseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:32:51 [bapy] oh thxeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:33:14 [chicapu10] Thetis: It's under the same category as the Odyssey, but I don't really remember much from lecture about it...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:33:32 [chicapu10] So the theme for it would be heroism and limitseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:33:32 [Thetis] all right, there are too many conversations. I'm going to answer that Gilgamesh question in room 1. Please follow me, chicapu and everyone elseeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:33:34 [mouse] Kevin> heyeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:33:41 [O.K.] oh great, now there are two things: thetis and themiseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:33:43 [Anthony] ...at the same timne, when you come down (through time and succession) to the Olympian generation, Zeus is profoundly associated with order and system and everything like that, both in a universal sense and in a more specific social sense (our man-made 'laws' etc.)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:33:47 [snowlily] women shouldn't acheive kleoseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:33:57 [Anthony] Thanks, Thetis!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:34:32 [snowlily] why did people leave this room =(eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:34:51 [Anthony] [If you want to join the Gilgamesh discussion, click on MyRoom1, bottom right. You can come back to the main chatroom anytimeeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:34:56 [lizzie] special gilgamesh discussion next door!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:35:20 [snowlily] so when athena came in at the end of ion, is that called "deux ex machina?"eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:35:33 [zeuspimp2] YEAHeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:35:34 [Anthony] OK, back to Themis (this is an interesting and typical example)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:36:08 [snowlily] ok i come back later.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:36:12 [Anthony] Zeus can mate with Themis - what would you expect that to mean?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:36:48 [Anthony] Note that Zeus does not *change* Themis, or create her - he simply goes with her, as a mate.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:36:58 [doncung] which one was themis? I think thetis was the one who married perseus right?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:01 [O.K.] But Zeus can mate with anyone, mortal or otherwise.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:08 [Anthony] Now look at who their offspring are....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:23 [kfine] their daughter would over power zeus?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:34 [lizzie] Peleus, not Perseuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:34 [steenja23] the three fates..eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:39 [Anthony] Yes, O.K., he can in principle - but does he?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:42 [O.K.] Yeah, could you clarify Thetiseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:49 [steenja23] so order and law of nature create the apportioners of lifeeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:37:54 [Kel] doncung: thetis married peleuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:38:09 [Anthony] Yes, Steenja....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:38:35 [Anthony] [Don't confuse Themis and Thetis....]eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:38:36 [lizzie] Look at the other children of Zeus and Themis. It makes senseeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:39:33 [crumb] off topic - who's deucalion?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:39:37 [Anthony] Automatic loss of a whole grade if you confuse Themis and Thetis - sorry! that was very bad taste.... it's been a long day....eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:39:39 [Kel] the seasons?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:39:48 [myang83] hi
GNubla!!! 
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23:39:59 [Anthony] Yes, Kel!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:40:00 [lizzie] Yes, Thetis married Peleus. But Zeus still factors into the story, remember what happens?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:40:00 [GNubla] hahhahaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:40:10 [crumb] did deucalion help w/ the maze?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:40:36 [lizzie] Yes, the seasons (Horai)! What is more natural than that?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:40:41 [Kel] zeus refuses to decide who should receive eris' golden appleeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:40:56 [O.K.] Looking at the numerous family trees I have from lecture I can't find Themis.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:40:59 [snowlily] uh oh. who is thetis?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:41:14 [crumb] thetis married perseuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:41:20 [Anthony] Crumb, we haven't really dealt with Deucalion yet - an interesting phenomenon. the Noah of Greek mytheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:41:34 [lizzie] OK: check the Theogony, intro.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:41:41 [crumb] at their wedding eris thre in the appleeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:41:44 [Anthony] Back to Lecture 1, Snowlily....!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:41:50 [cbartlow] what's was creon's daughter's name (the one who was suppose to marry jason)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:41:55 [crumb] b/c he was unhappy that he wasnt invitedeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:04 [O.K.] Wait, so thetis married Peleus or Perseuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:08 [snowlily] okeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:13 [steenja23] peleuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:13 [crumb] peleuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:23 [bapy] peleuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:25 [crumb] sorryeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:28 [xvirtuoso] whats the difference between arete and kleos??eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:33 [snowlily] glauceeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:41 [Anthony] O.K. I don't think I put up the family tree of Themis - she's a really early figure in the sequence. Check the Theogony.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:42 [stonewall] can someone tell me the meaning of oikoseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:53 [zeuspimp2] creusaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:42:57 [myang83] arete is the phaikian queen.. wife of alcinoos isn't she?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:09 [crumb] themis is the goddess of good and righteagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:10 [greekgeek] oikos is family/householdeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:13 [wilson] p11 of the theogeny has themiseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:23 [myang83] kleos is the idea of heroism achieved through others rejoicing your actseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:28 [O.K.] Got it, looking at it now.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:29 [stonewall] thankseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:31 [xvirtuoso] hmm i've heard it being used to describe a status of honor or something like thateagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:38 [crumb] themis also watches over assemblies of meneagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:39 [snowlily] oikos - householdeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:39 [Anthony] The important thing about Themis, genealogically, is that she is a very primal component, and that she combines with Zeus to produce some of the basic parts of the 'system'eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:43:53 [lizzie] yes, Arete is the name of the queen of Phaekia, but it's also a concept . .. here we go again!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:44:11 [boitaojai] arete = virtue, excellenceeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:44:16 [O.K.] Professor, is Themis technically mother of Athena???eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:44:21 [lizzie] so arete the concept: often translated as 'excellence'eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:44:22 [Anthony] Xvirtuoso, 'arete' is both the name of Alcinoos' wife in Phaeacia and also the Greek word for 'virtue'eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:44:43 [stonewall] is there a connection between gotterdommerung (norse) and battle of titanseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:44:48 [Anthony] (Go ahead, Lizzie.)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:45:39 [crumb] do we need to kno all the names under ATHENS? (Athena's son erichthonius... etc)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:45:42 [doncung] I thought Zeus was the mother and father of athena...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:45:52 [Anthony] O.K. Athena's 'mother' is another figure...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:45:59 [lizzie] OK: Metis is the mother of Athena, but like Themis she's early in Zeus' long list of wiveseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:46:43 [Anthony] Crumb, we haven't really done Erichthonius yet - that's a steamy story that's just round the corner (in lecture, at any rate)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:46:45 [lizzie] doncung: you're right, too!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:46:51 [ginahwang] do we need a blue book for the midterm?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:47:08 [snowlily] yes we doeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:47:25 [ginahwang] ook thankseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:47:41 [crumb] is pasiphae the one that turns into a laurel tree as apollo chases her??eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:47:42 [lizzie] How can Athena have a mother and no mother at the same time?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:47:48 [O.K.] I remember these two names mentioned before, Horai and MOraieagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:07 [singularty] zeus and themiseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:20 [Anthony] Crumb, that's Daphne. Pasiphae is a very interesting wife of Minos, King of Creteeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:22 [boitaojai] so basically, if we can identify several themes relating to the passage and support them with examples, we should be ok righteagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:24 [lizzie] Daphne is the one that turns into a laurel tree. Look for Pasiphae on Crete. . .eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:26 [snowlily] yeah, horai is seasonseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:38 [greekgeek] i like meneagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:40 [O.K.] Athena's mother is empregnated by Zeus, but is then swallowed by him so Athena comes only from Zeuseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:49 [snowlily] morai is fateseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:53 [s_harrison] since there are so many texts that we have read so far, are there any suggestions as how to study for the passages section?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:48:54 [greekgeek] i am greekeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:49:01 [Anthony] 'Moirai' (with an i) = 'Fateseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:49:07 [lizzie] Boitaojai: that's a good planeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:49:44 [lizzie] OK: yeseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:49:46 [boitaojai] sometimes i feel we get too caught up in detailseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:49:47 [Anthony] s_harrison, please don't try to re-read everything between now and tomorrow morning!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:50:22 [snowlily] ok, there are 25 ids, you choose 4eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:50:33 [snowlily] i don't think you need to stress outeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:50:36 [s_harrison] i'm just a little worried that they will be obscure and i can't recognize themeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:50:45 [singularty] I'm more worried about the passageeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:50:58 [Anthony] Rather concentrate on drawing out what you think some of the major themes are in what you've read and thought about so far, and then try organising a number of individual passages etc. that you think are particularly exemplary for each 'theme' or motifeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:51:01 [snowlily] yeah, me tooeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:51:15 [O.K.] I am worried about the whole thingeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:51:31 [boitaojai] hehe..eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:51:42 [Tahoerule] haheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:51:48 [boitaojai] me tooeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:51:48 [singularty] the ID's: go into your notes and pick out 6 major ones you know are quite porbabl to be idseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:51:48 [ginahwang] would something like xenia be considered a theme? or a concept?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:51:51 [singularty] know themeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:52:03 [snowlily] it could be botheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:52:04 [singularty] I don't really know how to prepare for passage thoeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:52:19 [snowlily] i think we can talk about hubriseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:52:20 [Anthony] Boitaojai - you are probably right. On the other hand I try as often as possible to look for the underlying shapes and patterns of thought that underly the detailseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:52:42 [gigi] Hey, who's Helen's mom?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:52:56 [lizzie] welcome back, Thetiseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:02 [crumb] question about trojan war: when did priam find out Paris was his son and y didnt he just flee from troy (b/c of that prophet's warning)?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:18 [lorca] ledaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:22 [Anthony] Welcome back, Rebecca! Good Gilgamesh session?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:27 [gigi] Didn't Zeus turn into a swan and mate with some woman and produced Helen?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:27 [NChild] Ledaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:34 [snowlily] helen's mom = ledaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:36 [chicapu10] gigi> ledaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:37 [snowlily] right?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:47 [boitaojai] i see....so we should be able to weave the details together to form a sense of thematic coherenceeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:51 [Anthony] Yes, Gigi and NChildeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:51 [gigi] thankseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:53:58 [lorca] yes, there's a famous poem describing that event...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:54:00 [lizzie] Yes, snowlilyeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:54:02 [ginahwang] how accurately do we need to study the geneology? there are sooo many names!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:54:31 [Anthony] Boitaojai, I'm all in favor of thematic coherence, yeseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:54:32 [NChild] but its easy if you remember that they are all connected somehoweagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:54:43 [snowlily] does anyone else yes lack of coherence in euripedes plays?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:54:46 [NChild] everyone is related to each other in some wayeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:55:00 [Thetis] gina: it's more important to remember the general form that the genealogies take, rather than all the detailseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:55:18 [snowlily] iphigenia, first begs for life, then thinks for a while and says, what the hell, i'll die for kleoseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:55:27 [chicapu10] Just a general question...if we've been keeping up with the reading and can identify the themes of each play and such...do we have to worry much?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:55:53 [chicapu10] I thought iphigenia understood in the end that she was doing it for her "people"eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:55:55 [snowlily] you shouldn't worry, chicapueagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:07 [Anthony] [I just thought of a new type of mid-term question: a blank genealogy, with all the lines in and no names. You have to ID it and fill in all the blanks....!!]eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:09 [chicapu10] either that or her love for her father was so great that she'd be willing to die for him in such a wayeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:12 [boitaojai] thanks for the help, professor. gniteeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:23 [snowlily] but didn't she know that from the beginning?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:24 [gigi] NOOOOOOOO!!!!!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:26 [chicapu10] NOOOOOOOOO THAT'S VERY EVIL PROF. BULLOCHeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:28 [NChild] that would be fun Prof. Bullocheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:32 [snowlily] are you SERIOUS?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:40 [stonewall] relating to themes: as succession occurs during the creation, would it be accurate to say that civilization also progresses, ie, tools of olympians, or are those two seperate themeseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:45 [ginahwang] =[eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:45 [goldsonic9] That would be too much like anthro 1eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:48 [boitaojai] hahahaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:49 [snowlily] stress level just increased to 110%eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:49 [Anthony] Thanks for coming by, Boitaojai!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:50 [goldsonic9] : Peagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:56:57 [greekgeek] for next semestereagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:00 [Kel] hahaha..anthro 1...man that class...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:06 [Anthony] Oh - go on!!!eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:06 [NChild] then its just memorization; or maybe i am just a total geek for genealogieseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:08 [chicapu10] maybe for extra credit? say if we can fill in about a quarter of it, we'll get an automatic A and no final to take...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:12 [Thetis] Anthony:
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23:57:19 [O.K.] I'd support that one, profeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:31 [snowlily] wait wait, extra credit idea sounds goodeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:37 [crumb] extra credit sounds goodeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:45 [kfine] that wouldn't be that badeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:45 [chicapu10] HAHAeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:54 [snowlily] please no fill-in family treeseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:57:55 [greekgeek] its all about the gradeeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:58:01 [gigi] okay, for an automatic A in the class, I'll memorize the entire thingeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:58:03 [Thetis] nicole: woohoo! i like drawing them on the board, in case you ahdn't figured that outeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:58:18 [chicapu10] yeah how about extra credit for the blank family treeseagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:58:31 [O.K.] But the exam is letter graded, not point based (isn't it)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:58:33 [snowlily] yeaheagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:58:40 [crumb] how many kids did nephelle & ixion have?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:58:40 [NChild] lol yes i have rebeccaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:58:56 [Anthony] 
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23:58:58 [NChild] just oneeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:00 [viri] wait does the midterm count for our final grade?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:05 [Thetis] Ok, the exam is letter-gradedeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:05 [wilsonbp] 2, right?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:14 [O.K.] plentyeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:16 [NChild] Centaurus, at least the only one we have met so fareagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:31 [jogurt] the midterm counts, but it can only help your final gradeeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:34 [Anthony] Viri: counted in only if in your favoreagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:37 [gigi] Hey Prof. Bulloch, do we need to know both the roman and greek versions of all the gods and goddess' names?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:39 [Kel] whoaa thats a violent lil graphic there prof.eagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:47 [O.K.] HAHAHAHAHAeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:47 [rcampos] :slayereagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:48 [goldsonic9] those smileys are disturbingeagle layout 4.15 keygen
23:59:57 [Thetis] when you get the midterm back, you'll see 2 grades, one for the IDs, one for the passageeagle layout 4.15 keygen
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00:00:08 [chicapu10] are you secretly trying to tell us something prof.?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:00:10 [goldsonic9] 8 o /eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:00:20 [O.K.] Hey, its just humoreagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:00:28 [snowlily] are the IDs and passage each 50/50?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:00:30 [ginahwang] prof's having just a lil too much fun with the smileys......=]eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:00:38 [snowlily] or is passage part worth more?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:00:38 [wilsonbp] I want to learn how to do that...eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:00:39 [goldsonic9] heheagle layout 4.15 keygen
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00:01:05 [Anthony] No secret here, Chicapu - I'm allowed to be hysterical too, though - once in a while.... aren't I?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:01:06 [crumb] who's peirithous (dunno about spelling)eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:01:08 [snowlily] 
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00:01:09 [Thetis] crumb: nicole answered your question, incase you were wonderingeagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:01:17 [chicapu10] loleagle layout 4.15 keygen
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00:01:33 [crumb] he has a wedding party and then theres the centaurs vs lapithseagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:01:35 [O.K.] Moodswings, snowlilyeagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:01:42 [Thetis] crumb: look at youtnotes for last week, especially thursdayeagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:01:57 [crumb] thetis: where? which question?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:01:59 [NChild] Perithous is the son of Ixion and Diaeagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:08 [snowlily] i'm trying to see which mood the prof will end up with when writing the midtermeagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:11 [Thetis] crumb: yes. why are the centarus at his wedding?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:13 [NChild] or is he is the son of Dia and Zeus?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:24 [Anthony] (Actually I just discovered the right-hand end of the smilies... couldn't resist.) OK: straight face - anything urgent on anyone'seagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:25 [crumb] thetis: i have peirithous in my notes... im just checking spellingeagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:27 [O.K.] Professor, could you clarify who lapiths are?eagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:31 [crumb] and in my details are correcteagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:41 [Thetis] eek. I don't have my notebook with me, but he's part of that whole treeeagle layout 4.15 keygen
00:02:44 [Kel] centaurs are cousins of lapiths rite?eagle layout 4.15 keygen