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14:10:01 [hello] hello
19:59:41 [hello] hello
20:00:07 [O.K.] ?????
20:00:28 [O.K.] what the hell is hello
22:25:59 [doncung] hmm.... when is the professor coming?
22:45:02 [padVasu] hey
22:59:37 [Thetis] evening, all. How's the studying going? What are your questions?
23:00:23 [kshama] when did we discuss ion in lecture?
23:00:42 [Thetis] kshama: we haven't really, yet.
23:00:50 [Anthony] Hi, everyone!
23:01:07 [myang83] can we go over the thematic significance of cloaks?
23:01:12 [kshama] oh because it was on the reading schedule and i was wondering how much i should focus on looking at it for the midterm
23:01:23 [Thetis] yikes. I'm auditioning a new borwser, and it's worse than explorer for these purposes. I'll be right back.
23:02:31 [Anthony] Kshama - we'll be bringing in the Ion more for discussion in lecture probably on Thursday - meanwhile I just reckon you've probably familiarised yourself with the text.... and I know some sections have already looked at it.
23:02:35 [wens88] hello everyone, this is my first time coming to the chatrooms
23:02:38 [singularty] what kind of things do we discuss about the passage? it is not identification correct
23:03:51 [wens88] if we don't need to identify the passages, how do we put the passage in context when discussing its significance?
23:04:22 [myang83] do we only have to write on 1 passage? given a choice of how many?
23:04:32 [barbanator] why are all the little people white??
23:04:42 [Thetis] hi anthony. what's on the agenda for tongiht?
23:05:25 [Anthony] Remember the analogy I gave in lecture.... a friend of yours is reading a text for the first time and comes to you saying "I gather you're the expert on Greek Myth, tell me what I need to know (background, assumptions etc) in order to understand how this passage really works....
23:06:15 [Anthony] Hi, rebecca. How's your browser? I thought I would just see what questions there are first....
23:06:46 [Anthony] Yes, just one passage - pick one out of a selection of two or three....
23:06:51 [dazeus4eva] where are the answers????
23:07:08 [Thetis] What questions do you all have, apart from the format of the midterm?
23:07:11 [Anthony] [My little people are lots of nice different colors....]
23:07:29 [singularty] I'm considering writing my paper on hermes
23:07:37 [Thetis] [i like that the girls are in blue, and the boys are in pink.]
23:07:41 [singularty] but I can't really find anything to formulate a thesis
23:07:51 [singularty] what's with the white
23:08:03 [steenja23] I was confused about nestor and neleus..both are wise mine from pylos..are they the same people?
23:08:05 [kshama] just to be consistent with grading, my gsi said that for the ids, we can answer in a bullet format, meaning it doesn't have to be in prose form
23:08:20 [Thetis] singularty: ask yourself what is interesting to you about hermes, and a thesis should come out of that
23:08:44 [singularty] hermes is interesting...
23:09:17 [singularty] I was looking info up and it said that he appears in greek myth more than any other god, which is completely understandable as he is the messenger
23:09:23 [singularty] he's also like the god of everything, heh
23:09:24 [myang83] about how long are our answers expected to be? for ids and passage
23:09:29 [Thetis] OK, there are lots of people here. surely one of you has a question?
23:09:31 [wens88] for the id's, my gsi said that the more the better, but is there an amount that is consider sufficient?
23:09:52 [Anthony] Yes, I'm not so bothered about 'prose style' for this mid-term. Content, info, ideas, evidence of thinking about how all this fits together etc. are much more important
23:10:16 [bludragn82] yeah there is...they said to kep it well written but dont drag on with the id;s
23:10:26 [bludragn82] keep*
23:10:29 [steenja23] I'm still confused about neleus and nestor
23:10:58 [padVasu] are we expected to analyze the relationships more than we did in lecture?
23:11:01 [Thetis] For the IDs, my general guideline is a short paragraph--long enough to convey the important peices of information, but son't make too much of it
23:11:01 [s_harrison] With the passages...what exactly are we expected to state in our answer? how in detail should our answers be?
23:11:08 [viri] who is julian the apostate
23:11:18 [Tahoerule] Ok, well i have a question, could you explain if the position of "leader" and "chorus" were common in all plays of the time, or just some of the plays we read?
23:11:23 [Anthony] Wendy, we have no predetermined notions about 'length'. As you know, one person can fill a page with nothing, and another can pack half a page full of ideas and stimulating suggestions
23:11:25 [bludragn82] my GSI had given a good idea, pick out the ID's and then go first to the essay/passage...then go back to the id's
23:11:49 [dazeus4eva] how do i change my buddy icon???
23:11:49 [Thetis] for the passage, you'll probably need at least a page--there will be a lot to say about each of them, so plan acordingly.
23:12:15 [wens88] ok, thank you prof. bulloch, that was informative
23:12:21 [Thetis] but make sure to spend an equal amoutn of time on each section, to ensure that you're giving each part the same consideration
23:12:21 [myang83] for the ID's is it really pick 4 ids out of 24 given choices? or did i misunderstand?
23:12:41 [Anthony] [For more info on how the chatroom works, and what you can change and set, click on the Query/Help icon bottom left]
23:13:13 [Thetis] tahoerule: every greek play had a chorus, and every chorus had a leader
23:13:25 [Anthony] Yes, correct: pick 4 out of about 24
23:13:32 [dazeus4eva] thanks =)
23:13:36 [bapy] so the basic idea is to tie in how it fits into grrek myths as a whole?
23:13:42 [lizzie] Pad: what do you mean?
23:13:49 [bludragn82] quick question...would we be docked points if some ideas of themes had reoccurred in both the id's and essay portion?
23:14:01 [singularty] when is professor's office hours
23:14:06 [Thetis] steenja: nestor and neleus are two different people--son and father? son and grandfather? related, as far as I can remember, but not the same.
23:14:17 [dazeus4eva] they are over
23:14:36 [singularty] I'm just curious
23:14:38 [Anthony] Hey, everyone: please remember that this mid-term is designed NOT to trip you up and see how many things you can get wrong (or forget!), but to give you an opportunity to show how much you have done and how much you really understand and have ideas about how Greek Myth all works....
23:14:42 [singularty] cause I need help on my paper
23:14:43 [dazeus4eva] THE MIDTERM IS TOMORROW.
23:15:07 [singularty] shrug
23:15:12 [singularty] midterm shoudln't be soo bad
23:15:30 [singularty] as long as you've read and gone to lecture... not that I've done all the reading intently
23:15:41 [Anthony] Singularty: I'll be glad to talk with you about your paper. My office hours are posted on the first day's handout.
23:15:42 [boitaojai] There are so many names and relationships...I don't know where to focus my studies
23:15:42 [lizzie] Neleus=father of Nestor
23:15:55 [Heptaptimi] hey there everyone
23:16:06 [Thetis] singularty: for help on your paper, go talk to your GSI
23:16:06 [steenja23] thanks
23:16:07 [chicapu10] just to be sure, if we cannot remember the name, but we know the background of the person, we won't have points deducted right?
23:16:24 [fifty] what are some of the main themes which the id's and passages can be tied back to?
23:16:40 [Anthony] BlueDragon: I'll be asking you not to repeat yourself, obviously. In a common-sense way. Of course a lot of the material overlaps....
23:16:52 [bludragn82] i think thats right chica
23:16:53 [steenja23] what is significant about helen mimicing the voices of the wives of the greek soldiers as they sit in the horse?
23:17:24 [bludragn82] alrighty. thanx prof bulloch
23:17:25 [Anthony] Chicapu - names: correct. This is not a multiple choice quizz with a separate hoop-jumping section.
23:17:30 [steenja23] i don't really understand why she does that
23:17:37 [Thetis] steenja: within the context of Euripides, what do you think?
23:18:03 [Thetis] and fifty: well, what are themes that have been emphasized in lecture?
23:18:12 [Anthony] (On the other hand, if you can't remember a single name of the people who are in that epic whose name you can't remember that takes place in that country which is somewhere south of the US.....
23:18:36 [goldsonic9] xenia and succession are two
23:18:50 [bludragn82] well i am outta here.........good luck everyone!
23:19:03 [fifty] order vs disorder, flexibility of myth
23:19:12 [wens88] bye everyone, good luck studying =)
23:19:12 [Thetis] golsonic: you. everyone: other big themes?
23:19:23 [steenja23] what play in euripides?
23:19:38 [boitaojai] the role of women
23:19:43 [Anthony] Boitaojai: "so many names and relationships".... OK, but what would you say are some of the absolutely most significant? and what are some of the most common underlying *types* of relationships you've observed so far?
23:19:46 [steenja23] rival mothers is a theme.i.e medea, ino, nephele
23:19:52 [boitaojai] as in Medea, Calypso, etc
23:19:53 [bapy] nostos
23:20:09 [snowlily] what is Themis?
23:20:10 [Thetis] boitaojai: what about the role of women, specifically?
23:20:18 [goldsonic9] the whole wife jealousy thing
23:20:19 [Kel] geneology
23:20:25 [O.K.] what is nostos?
23:20:28 [steenja23] themis is the second wife to zeus
23:20:35 [steenja23] did they have the fates?
23:20:37 [goldsonic9] and the bringing foreign women home
23:20:38 [thsueh] hey what's nostos again
23:20:44 [steenja23] or the furies?
23:20:45 [chicapu10] i thought themis was a "seer"
23:20:52 [Anthony] I'm impressed: you're doing well, everyone...
23:20:52 [snowlily] ok. thanks steenja
23:20:53 [Thetis] you both got it, steenja and boitaojai. too speedy for me!
23:21:01 [snowlily] wait, so what is it?
23:21:12 [O.K.] Themis, 2nd wife of zeus or just mistress????
23:21:21 [boitaojai] like in agamemnon and clytemnestra...never underestimate their power....and like in Medea and her treacherous motives
23:21:22 [Thetis] steenja: who do you mean by "they"?
23:21:22 [steenja23] fates or furies?
23:21:33 [steenja23] zeus and themis
23:21:43 [Anthony] nostos = 'return/homecoming' (in the Greek sense!)
23:22:19 [lizzie] and the concept "themis" means what is established by custom/law/tradition
23:22:23 [chicapu10] just wondering but is Brigit in here?
23:22:46 [Thetis] steenja: do you mean have as in "give birth to?"
23:22:47 [snowlily] what is kourotrophos?
23:22:50 [Anthony] Chicapu: 'Themis' means something like what we would call 'Law of Nature'. It's what naturally is and cannot be changed or altered by simple practice or custom
23:23:12 [steenja23] yes...
23:23:32 [steenja23] did zeus and themis give birth to the fates or the furies or niether?
23:23:59 [Thetis] no, the Furies didn't comeout of the union of Zeus and Themis. What are the origins of the Furies?
23:24:14 [Anthony] Kourotrophos means 'nurturer of children'....
23:24:23 [steenja23] the testicles of uranus
23:24:28 [steenja23] sorry i got confused
23:24:32 [snowlily] they came from kronos blood right?
23:24:46 [fifty] how does ION relate to evertything besides the whole mother trying to kill offspring theme
23:24:50 [O.K.] What is Themis, "established by law" or Zeus's mistress or wife?:???
23:24:54 [viri] who or what are the dardanelles...does that have anything to do with hellespont
23:24:56 [snowlily] yeah when he got castrated.
23:25:01 [Anthony] [Haven't seen Brigit here yet.]
23:25:03 [lizzie] Yes, for the fates (Moirai). Who else resulted from the union of Zeus and Themis?
23:25:24 [Anthony] O.K. - the answer is 'both'.... Now how would that be?
23:25:31 [Thetis] steenja: you were right the first time, sort of. they come from the blood spattered by Ouranos' castration.
23:25:47 [snowlily] professor, do we have to be that familiar with who came from who?
23:25:51 [s_harrison] is it more important to focus on the primary texts or classical mythology/greek myths/atlas?
23:25:52 [Anthony] Oh, Hi Lizzie!
23:26:19 [Thetis] What is the raison d'etre of the Furies?
23:26:20 [lizzie] Viri: they are one and the same
23:26:35 [O.K.] Professor, would it be because she is created by Zeus and Zeus is the "supreme law of the land"?
23:26:42 [Thetis] yay! Lizzie's here!
23:26:58 [lorca] justice
23:27:03 [lizzie] I've been here for awhile, just taking it all in!
23:27:40 [singularty] do any of the GSI's have any type of focus relative with hermes?
23:27:40 [lizzie] Viri: to clarify, the straits near Troy, connecting the Sea of Marmara with the Aegean, separating Europe and Asia
23:27:55 [Thetis] lizzie: awesome, isn't it?
23:28:12 [Anthony] O.K.: as I remember Themis is already in existence when Zeus comes about, isn't that right? What would that signify?
23:28:23 [thsueh] does the midterm cover ion and trojan women
23:28:44 [snowlily] yep
23:28:45 [Thetis] thsueh: yes, it does.
23:28:52 [thsueh] ok thanks
23:28:59 [viri] thank you lizzie
23:29:01 [ginahwang] how many ID's, terms, locations, and etc are goin to be in part one?
23:29:08 [snowlily] more vocab: what is Ship of State
23:29:34 [Thetis] gina: you'll choose 4 out of 25 or so
23:29:42 [Anthony] Just to be clear, the material that is 'legit' for the mid-term is whatever is on the Reading Schedule up through Week 7. On the other hand I am aware that we haven't yet covered the Ion in detail in lecture yet....
23:29:52 [myang83] are the id's going to be just people? or more?
23:30:02 [Heptaptimi] do we need to know any Iliad figures
23:30:04 [ginahwang] does it have to be one from each? for instance..can i choose 4 people and no locations
23:30:12 [O.K.] Professor, I still can't make the connection between Themis and .... themis "law"
23:30:21 [Thetis] myang: places, and key terms, are fair game
23:30:25 [Anthony] IDs will be one word items....
23:30:36 [snowlily] i think id's are more than just people (ie oikos, kleos, , )
23:30:36 [fifty] zeus is the upholder of law
23:31:20 [chicapu10] Can anyone give a bit of a background on gilgamesh
23:31:30 [bapy] what is kleos?
23:31:32 [Anthony] O.K.: Themis is an interesting character. She 'is' / 'stands for' the way things are naturally in the universe....
23:31:36 [O.K.] I can understant that he is the upholder, but what does it have to do with his mistress
23:31:54 [Thetis] chicapu: what do you want to know?
23:32:10 [lizzie] OK: How does Zeus become the upholder of law?
23:32:10 [goldsonic9] kleos is like the fame you receive from a usually heroic deed
23:32:19 [O.K.] kleos is the idea of being remembered as a hero (right professor?)
23:32:24 [Anthony] ....and since there was a shape to things early on Themis is born from the first beings that came into existence....
23:32:28 [goldsonic9] like achilles wanted kleos
23:32:41 [chicapu10] Thetis: it's under the theme q
23:32:50 [chicapu10] oops
23:32:51 [bapy] oh thx
23:33:14 [chicapu10] Thetis: It's under the same category as the Odyssey, but I don't really remember much from lecture about it...
23:33:32 [chicapu10] So the theme for it would be heroism and limits
23:33:32 [Thetis] all right, there are too many conversations. I'm going to answer that Gilgamesh question in room 1. Please follow me, chicapu and everyone else
23:33:34 [mouse] Kevin> hey
23:33:41 [O.K.] oh great, now there are two things: thetis and themis
23:33:43 [Anthony] ...at the same timne, when you come down (through time and succession) to the Olympian generation, Zeus is profoundly associated with order and system and everything like that, both in a universal sense and in a more specific social sense (our man-made 'laws' etc.)
23:33:47 [snowlily] women shouldn't acheive kleos
23:33:57 [Anthony] Thanks, Thetis!
23:34:32 [snowlily] why did people leave this room =(
23:34:51 [Anthony] [If you want to join the Gilgamesh discussion, click on MyRoom1, bottom right. You can come back to the main chatroom anytime
23:34:56 [lizzie] special gilgamesh discussion next door!
23:35:20 [snowlily] so when athena came in at the end of ion, is that called "deux ex machina?"
23:35:33 [zeuspimp2] YEAH
23:35:34 [Anthony] OK, back to Themis (this is an interesting and typical example)
23:36:08 [snowlily] ok i come back later.
23:36:12 [Anthony] Zeus can mate with Themis - what would you expect that to mean?
23:36:48 [Anthony] Note that Zeus does not *change* Themis, or create her - he simply goes with her, as a mate.
23:36:58 [doncung] which one was themis? I think thetis was the one who married perseus right?
23:37:01 [O.K.] But Zeus can mate with anyone, mortal or otherwise.
23:37:08 [Anthony] Now look at who their offspring are....
23:37:23 [kfine] their daughter would over power zeus?
23:37:34 [lizzie] Peleus, not Perseus
23:37:34 [steenja23] the three fates..
23:37:39 [Anthony] Yes, O.K., he can in principle - but does he?
23:37:42 [O.K.] Yeah, could you clarify Thetis
23:37:49 [steenja23] so order and law of nature create the apportioners of life
23:37:54 [Kel] doncung: thetis married peleus
23:38:09 [Anthony] Yes, Steenja....
23:38:35 [Anthony] [Don't confuse Themis and Thetis....]
23:38:36 [lizzie] Look at the other children of Zeus and Themis. It makes sense
23:39:33 [crumb] off topic - who's deucalion?
23:39:37 [Anthony] Automatic loss of a whole grade if you confuse Themis and Thetis - sorry! that was very bad taste.... it's been a long day....
23:39:39 [Kel] the seasons?
23:39:48 [myang83] hi
GNubla!!! 
23:39:59 [Anthony] Yes, Kel!
23:40:00 [lizzie] Yes, Thetis married Peleus. But Zeus still factors into the story, remember what happens?
23:40:00 [GNubla] hahhaha
23:40:10 [crumb] did deucalion help w/ the maze?
23:40:36 [lizzie] Yes, the seasons (Horai)! What is more natural than that?
23:40:41 [Kel] zeus refuses to decide who should receive eris' golden apple
23:40:56 [O.K.] Looking at the numerous family trees I have from lecture I can't find Themis.
23:40:59 [snowlily] uh oh. who is thetis?
23:41:14 [crumb] thetis married perseus
23:41:20 [Anthony] Crumb, we haven't really dealt with Deucalion yet - an interesting phenomenon. the Noah of Greek myth
23:41:34 [lizzie] OK: check the Theogony, intro.
23:41:41 [crumb] at their wedding eris thre in the apple
23:41:44 [Anthony] Back to Lecture 1, Snowlily....!
23:41:50 [cbartlow] what's was creon's daughter's name (the one who was suppose to marry jason)
23:41:55 [crumb] b/c he was unhappy that he wasnt invited
23:42:04 [O.K.] Wait, so thetis married Peleus or Perseus
23:42:08 [snowlily] ok
23:42:13 [steenja23] peleus
23:42:13 [crumb] peleus
23:42:23 [bapy] peleus
23:42:25 [crumb] sorry
23:42:28 [xvirtuoso] whats the difference between arete and kleos??
23:42:33 [snowlily] glauce
23:42:41 [Anthony] O.K. I don't think I put up the family tree of Themis - she's a really early figure in the sequence. Check the Theogony.
23:42:42 [stonewall] can someone tell me the meaning of oikos
23:42:53 [zeuspimp2] creusa
23:42:57 [myang83] arete is the phaikian queen.. wife of alcinoos isn't she?
23:43:09 [crumb] themis is the goddess of good and right
23:43:10 [greekgeek] oikos is family/household
23:43:13 [wilson] p11 of the theogeny has themis
23:43:23 [myang83] kleos is the idea of heroism achieved through others rejoicing your acts
23:43:28 [O.K.] Got it, looking at it now.
23:43:29 [stonewall] thanks
23:43:31 [xvirtuoso] hmm i've heard it being used to describe a status of honor or something like that
23:43:38 [crumb] themis also watches over assemblies of men
23:43:39 [snowlily] oikos - household
23:43:39 [Anthony] The important thing about Themis, genealogically, is that she is a very primal component, and that she combines with Zeus to produce some of the basic parts of the 'system'
23:43:53 [lizzie] yes, Arete is the name of the queen of Phaekia, but it's also a concept . .. here we go again!
23:44:11 [boitaojai] arete = virtue, excellence
23:44:16 [O.K.] Professor, is Themis technically mother of Athena???
23:44:21 [lizzie] so arete the concept: often translated as 'excellence'
23:44:22 [Anthony] Xvirtuoso, 'arete' is both the name of Alcinoos' wife in Phaeacia and also the Greek word for 'virtue'
23:44:43 [stonewall] is there a connection between gotterdommerung (norse) and battle of titans
23:44:48 [Anthony] (Go ahead, Lizzie.)
23:45:39 [crumb] do we need to kno all the names under ATHENS? (Athena's son erichthonius... etc)
23:45:42 [doncung] I thought Zeus was the mother and father of athena...
23:45:52 [Anthony] O.K. Athena's 'mother' is another figure...
23:45:59 [lizzie] OK: Metis is the mother of Athena, but like Themis she's early in Zeus' long list of wives
23:46:43 [Anthony] Crumb, we haven't really done Erichthonius yet - that's a steamy story that's just round the corner (in lecture, at any rate)
23:46:45 [lizzie] doncung: you're right, too!
23:46:51 [ginahwang] do we need a blue book for the midterm?
23:47:08 [snowlily] yes we do
23:47:25 [ginahwang] ook thanks
23:47:41 [crumb] is pasiphae the one that turns into a laurel tree as apollo chases her??
23:47:42 [lizzie] How can Athena have a mother and no mother at the same time?
23:47:48 [O.K.] I remember these two names mentioned before, Horai and MOrai
23:48:07 [singularty] zeus and themis
23:48:20 [Anthony] Crumb, that's Daphne. Pasiphae is a very interesting wife of Minos, King of Crete
23:48:22 [boitaojai] so basically, if we can identify several themes relating to the passage and support them with examples, we should be ok right
23:48:24 [lizzie] Daphne is the one that turns into a laurel tree. Look for Pasiphae on Crete. . .
23:48:26 [snowlily] yeah, horai is seasons
23:48:38 [greekgeek] i like men
23:48:40 [O.K.] Athena's mother is empregnated by Zeus, but is then swallowed by him so Athena comes only from Zeus
23:48:49 [snowlily] morai is fates
23:48:53 [s_harrison] since there are so many texts that we have read so far, are there any suggestions as how to study for the passages section?
23:48:54 [greekgeek] i am greek
23:49:01 [Anthony] 'Moirai' (with an i) = 'Fates
23:49:07 [lizzie] Boitaojai: that's a good plan
23:49:44 [lizzie] OK: yes
23:49:46 [boitaojai] sometimes i feel we get too caught up in details
23:49:47 [Anthony] s_harrison, please don't try to re-read everything between now and tomorrow morning!
23:50:22 [snowlily] ok, there are 25 ids, you choose 4
23:50:33 [snowlily] i don't think you need to stress out
23:50:36 [s_harrison] i'm just a little worried that they will be obscure and i can't recognize them
23:50:45 [singularty] I'm more worried about the passage
23:50:58 [Anthony] Rather concentrate on drawing out what you think some of the major themes are in what you've read and thought about so far, and then try organising a number of individual passages etc. that you think are particularly exemplary for each 'theme' or motif
23:51:01 [snowlily] yeah, me too
23:51:15 [O.K.] I am worried about the whole thing
23:51:31 [boitaojai] hehe..
23:51:42 [Tahoerule] hah
23:51:48 [boitaojai] me too
23:51:48 [singularty] the ID's: go into your notes and pick out 6 major ones you know are quite porbabl to be ids
23:51:48 [ginahwang] would something like xenia be considered a theme? or a concept?
23:51:51 [singularty] know them
23:52:03 [snowlily] it could be both
23:52:04 [singularty] I don't really know how to prepare for passage tho
23:52:19 [snowlily] i think we can talk about hubris
23:52:20 [Anthony] Boitaojai - you are probably right. On the other hand I try as often as possible to look for the underlying shapes and patterns of thought that underly the details
23:52:42 [gigi] Hey, who's Helen's mom?
23:52:56 [lizzie] welcome back, Thetis
23:53:02 [crumb] question about trojan war: when did priam find out Paris was his son and y didnt he just flee from troy (b/c of that prophet's warning)?
23:53:18 [lorca] leda
23:53:22 [Anthony] Welcome back, Rebecca! Good Gilgamesh session?
23:53:27 [gigi] Didn't Zeus turn into a swan and mate with some woman and produced Helen?
23:53:27 [NChild] Leda
23:53:34 [snowlily] helen's mom = leda
23:53:36 [chicapu10] gigi> leda
23:53:37 [snowlily] right?
23:53:47 [boitaojai] i see....so we should be able to weave the details together to form a sense of thematic coherence
23:53:51 [Anthony] Yes, Gigi and NChild
23:53:51 [gigi] thanks
23:53:58 [lorca] yes, there's a famous poem describing that event...
23:54:00 [lizzie] Yes, snowlily
23:54:02 [ginahwang] how accurately do we need to study the geneology? there are sooo many names!
23:54:31 [Anthony] Boitaojai, I'm all in favor of thematic coherence, yes
23:54:32 [NChild] but its easy if you remember that they are all connected somehow
23:54:43 [snowlily] does anyone else yes lack of coherence in euripedes plays?
23:54:46 [NChild] everyone is related to each other in some way
23:55:00 [Thetis] gina: it's more important to remember the general form that the genealogies take, rather than all the details
23:55:18 [snowlily] iphigenia, first begs for life, then thinks for a while and says, what the hell, i'll die for kleos
23:55:27 [chicapu10] Just a general question...if we've been keeping up with the reading and can identify the themes of each play and such...do we have to worry much?
23:55:53 [chicapu10] I thought iphigenia understood in the end that she was doing it for her "people"
23:55:55 [snowlily] you shouldn't worry, chicapu
23:56:07 [Anthony] [I just thought of a new type of mid-term question: a blank genealogy, with all the lines in and no names. You have to ID it and fill in all the blanks....!!]
23:56:09 [chicapu10] either that or her love for her father was so great that she'd be willing to die for him in such a way
23:56:12 [boitaojai] thanks for the help, professor. gnite
23:56:23 [snowlily] but didn't she know that from the beginning?
23:56:24 [gigi] NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
23:56:26 [chicapu10] NOOOOOOOOO THAT'S VERY EVIL PROF. BULLOCH
23:56:28 [NChild] that would be fun Prof. Bulloch
23:56:32 [snowlily] are you SERIOUS?
23:56:40 [stonewall] relating to themes: as succession occurs during the creation, would it be accurate to say that civilization also progresses, ie, tools of olympians, or are those two seperate themes
23:56:45 [ginahwang] =[
23:56:45 [goldsonic9] That would be too much like anthro 1
23:56:48 [boitaojai] hahaha
23:56:49 [snowlily] stress level just increased to 110%
23:56:49 [Anthony] Thanks for coming by, Boitaojai!
23:56:50 [goldsonic9] : P
23:56:57 [greekgeek] for next semester
23:57:00 [Kel] hahaha..anthro 1...man that class...
23:57:06 [Anthony] Oh - go on!!!
23:57:06 [NChild] then its just memorization; or maybe i am just a total geek for genealogies
23:57:08 [chicapu10] maybe for extra credit? say if we can fill in about a quarter of it, we'll get an automatic A and no final to take...
23:57:12 [Thetis] Anthony:
23:57:19 [O.K.] I'd support that one, prof
23:57:31 [snowlily] wait wait, extra credit idea sounds good
23:57:37 [crumb] extra credit sounds good
23:57:45 [kfine] that wouldn't be that bad
23:57:45 [chicapu10] HAHA
23:57:54 [snowlily] please no fill-in family trees
23:57:55 [greekgeek] its all about the grade
23:58:01 [gigi] okay, for an automatic A in the class, I'll memorize the entire thing
23:58:03 [Thetis] nicole: woohoo! i like drawing them on the board, in case you ahdn't figured that out
23:58:18 [chicapu10] yeah how about extra credit for the blank family trees
23:58:31 [O.K.] But the exam is letter graded, not point based (isn't it)
23:58:33 [snowlily] yeah
23:58:40 [crumb] how many kids did nephelle & ixion have?
23:58:40 [NChild] lol yes i have rebecca
23:58:56 [Anthony] 
23:58:58 [NChild] just one
23:59:00 [viri] wait does the midterm count for our final grade?
23:59:05 [Thetis] Ok, the exam is letter-graded
23:59:05 [wilsonbp] 2, right?
23:59:14 [O.K.] plenty
23:59:16 [NChild] Centaurus, at least the only one we have met so far
23:59:31 [jogurt] the midterm counts, but it can only help your final grade
23:59:34 [Anthony] Viri: counted in only if in your favor
23:59:37 [gigi] Hey Prof. Bulloch, do we need to know both the roman and greek versions of all the gods and goddess' names?
23:59:39 [Kel] whoaa thats a violent lil graphic there prof.
23:59:47 [O.K.] HAHAHAHAHA
23:59:47 [rcampos] :slayer
23:59:48 [goldsonic9] those smileys are disturbing
23:59:57 [Thetis] when you get the midterm back, you'll see 2 grades, one for the IDs, one for the passage
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00:00:08 [chicapu10] are you secretly trying to tell us something prof.?
00:00:10 [goldsonic9] 8 o /
00:00:20 [O.K.] Hey, its just humor
00:00:28 [snowlily] are the IDs and passage each 50/50?
00:00:30 [ginahwang] prof's having just a lil too much fun with the smileys......=]
00:00:38 [snowlily] or is passage part worth more?
00:00:38 [wilsonbp] I want to learn how to do that...
00:00:39 [goldsonic9] heh
00:00:41 [chicapu10] hahaha
00:00:52 [snowlily]
00:01:05 [Anthony] No secret here, Chicapu - I'm allowed to be hysterical too, though - once in a while.... aren't I?
00:01:06 [crumb] who's peirithous (dunno about spelling)
00:01:08 [snowlily] 
00:01:09 [Thetis] crumb: nicole answered your question, incase you were wondering
00:01:17 [chicapu10] lol
00:01:27 [lizzie] 
00:01:33 [crumb] he has a wedding party and then theres the centaurs vs lapiths
00:01:35 [O.K.] Moodswings, snowlily
00:01:42 [Thetis] crumb: look at youtnotes for last week, especially thursday
00:01:57 [crumb] thetis: where? which question?
00:01:59 [NChild] Perithous is the son of Ixion and Dia
00:02:08 [snowlily] i'm trying to see which mood the prof will end up with when writing the midterm
00:02:11 [Thetis] crumb: yes. why are the centarus at his wedding?
00:02:13 [NChild] or is he is the son of Dia and Zeus?
00:02:24 [Anthony] (Actually I just discovered the right-hand end of the smilies... couldn't resist.) OK: straight face - anything urgent on anyone's
00:02:25 [crumb] thetis: i have peirithous in my notes... im just checking spelling
00:02:27 [O.K.] Professor, could you clarify who lapiths are?
00:02:31 [crumb] and in my details are correct
00:02:41 [Thetis] eek. I don't have my notebook with me, but he's part of that whole tree
00:02:44 [Kel] centaurs are cousins of lapiths rite?