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23:03:24 [Classic] Greetings, DooGoG!
23:03:53 [Classic] Hi, Tanay! Welcome!
23:04:41 [Classic] Hi, Katherine! Welcome!
23:04:41 [DooGoG] hello?
23:06:36 [Classic] Hi, Edie! Welcome! Can you get yourself over to the main room?
23:06:43 [potterine] o sorry i was watching fear factor
23:07:05 [DooGoG] Is this chatroom working?
23:07:07 [tomato] which one is the main room?
23:07:46 [Classic] The one we're in - take a look at the right hand column (outside the chat text area.
23:08:12 [Classic] tomato> Can you get yourself back to the main chatroom?
23:08:20 [potterine] whoa how'd you make those faces doogog
23:08:32 [Classic] Hi, Uberthin! Welcome!
23:09:02 [Classic] Hey, everyone - check the Query/Help button bottom left...
23:09:19 [DooGoG] humm, this is a webpage
23:09:34 [Classic] OK - shall we get started? Anyone got any burning questions, on the 'Odyssey' or anything else?
23:09:48 [potterine] 
23:10:04 [tomato] yes, i have one
23:10:21 [Classic] [If you type in '/show 500' (without the quotes) your screen will preserve all the chat session....
23:10:34 [Classic] Tom - go ahead...
23:11:30 [Classic] Hi, Lorca! Welcome!
23:11:39 [Classic] Hi, Brigit!!
23:11:48 [tomato] on page72, Helen is happy that she would go back to Greece soon, but why she tried to disclose the Argives in the wooden horse?
23:11:50 [brigit] Hi everyone
23:11:55 [lorca] hello
23:11:56 [Classic] Hi there, Trung! Welcome!
23:12:33 [Classic] Hi, raikouben! Welcome!
23:12:48 [tomato] Didn't she put the Argives in a more dangerous position?
23:12:54 [Classic] OK - on to Helen....
23:13:34 [Classic] Yes - why do you think she would do that? And, why do you think there would be a mythic way of looking at her that would suggest that? Anyone?
23:13:40 [brigit] note that the text says "Moved by a divine spirit"
23:14:09 [Classic] Hi, Kathrav! Welcome!
23:14:16 [potterine] i was surprised helen didnt respond to that when telling odysseus the story
23:14:50 [Classic] Hi, Missin! Welcome!
23:15:10 [Classic] Anyone got any thoughts on this aspect of Helen?
23:15:32 [missin] Hello!
23:15:59 [Classic] Hi there, Jeannie!
23:16:05 [kathrav] so....helen is cool?
23:16:06 [tomato] i really don't understand her, if she ever miss her husband and children or Greece, why in the begiinning she fell in love w/ p
23:16:14 [Kleonai1] Hi, this time I'm actually in!
23:16:32 [Classic] Hi, twinx32! Welcome!
23:16:54 [Classic] Rah, Jeannie!
23:17:26 [kevinlin] hi
23:17:34 [Classic] OK - kath says Helen is cool - Edie is puzzled by her.... Anyone?
23:17:48 [Classic] Hi there, Kevin! Welcome!
23:17:49 [twinx32] Hi
23:17:58 [Classic] Welcome, Chimera!
23:18:29 [potterine] in the story she wasn't alone, so maybe that person urged her to do it
23:18:36 [Classic] Hi, Jessie! Welcome!
23:18:48 [kathrav] yeah i agree with potterine
23:18:53 [jessing] hi
23:19:24 [Classic] OK - what do you think about Helen's responsibility for things? And how would we tell in these myths? What are the signals that suggest 'morality'?
23:19:31 [twinx32] are we talking about book IV?
23:19:40 [Classic] Hi there, Joy! Welcome!
23:19:46 [Kleonai1] But surely immitating the voices of the wives was her own idea
23:20:26 [Classic] In the Od we're talking about Bk 4, but there are other texts as well that some might want to bring to the discussion...
23:21:41 [Classic] Hi, Rebecca! Glad you could make it... We're talking about the 'morality' of Helen...
23:21:49 [Kleonai1] In the Iliad, Helen does what Aphrodite tells her to
23:21:52 [thetis] evening, all. what's going on?
23:21:54 [Joy] when you say morality, are you talking about her actions?
23:22:36 [kathrav] payCe
23:22:42 [Classic] Well, I'm thinking that we have two of us that see her differently - so the question is, how can we tell in any given mythic account?
23:23:02 [Classic] Hi, Miriam! Welcome!
23:23:20 [miriam] hi
23:23:32 [Classic] Hi, Gina! Welcome!
23:24:02 [jessing] In myth are problems usually confronted or hidden/ignored?
23:24:11 [Classic] OK - in Iliad bk 4 Aphrodite tells Helen what to do in no uncertain terms. But is Helen willing? And what does it mean that she is reluctant?
23:24:27 [Classic] hi, Greanleaf! Welcome!
23:24:47 [Joy] i think that to some degree, helen is willing. if she really does not want to go to paris, she wouldnt
23:24:53 [Joy] or else, she'd put up more of a fight
23:24:57 [Kleonai1] It means she's struggling against her own lust!
23:25:20 [kevinlin] well isn't the ultimate fate of helen decided by the Gods in greek mythology? After paris was promised helen, could she have any say in her fate?
23:25:22 [Classic] Jessica, I'd say that in Greek myth, at any rate, myth explores even the deepest, most nightmarish aspects of anything
23:25:23 [thetis] jessie: it all depends, really. problems have to be addressed, in the end, even though some get ignored for a while.
23:26:38 [Classic] What about Kevin's point? If a god is involved, is there any freedom of manoeuvre? Where does responsibility lie?
23:26:54 [Classic] How would we go about answering that question?
23:27:45 [Classic] Hi there, wilson_bp! Belated welcome!
23:27:56 [Joy] even gods are restrained by destiny
23:28:12 [Kleonai1] look at the consequences, at who pays and how
23:28:13 [Joy] an example is when zeus wants to save his son, sarpedon (sp?) but is unable to during the trojan war
23:28:15 [thetis] well, we could compare it to other myths that we already know about... how does helen's fate compare to odysseus'?
23:28:19 [Classic] Aphrodite promises Helen to Paris? Does that mean Helen is now a mere motif? a cypher?
23:28:22 [wilson_bp] it appears that the Greeks believed in consequences for each and every action. Once a person decides on a course of action, he cannot change his destiny
23:28:29 [missin] Doesn't everyone have to take the consequence if they don't obey gods' will
23:28:43 [kevinlin] but isn't the essense of destiny created by the gods?
23:29:02 [Joy] gods dont create destiny...they are restrained by it
23:29:02 [Classic] Joy is referring to Iliad bk 16
23:29:07 [greanleaf] joy: but Zeus got around having a son that is greater than him, like his father and grandfather, thus he got around what appeared to be his destiny
23:29:10 [Kleonai1] but they have to take the consequence even when they do obey the gods
23:29:11 [thetis] what do you mean, exactly, kevin?
23:29:13 [Joy] the fates arent under the rule by anyone
23:29:23 [lorca] it also appears greek myth explores the extremes
23:29:55 [Kleonai1] Joy: Zeus actually could save S if he wanted to - but it would upset the balance, so he doesn't
23:30:04 [Classic] Missin, if we take examples of 'consequences' [a very important point here that you raise], could the opposite also be true?
23:30:18 [Classic] Say more, Lorca
23:30:32 [missin] In the Oddysey, Paseidon still tries to stop Oddyseus from going back to their homeland even though other Gods' agree to give him his homecoming.
23:30:43 [lorca] well, the power structure between the fates and the gods seems to get blurred
23:30:50 [Joy] i agree that zeus *could* save him if he wants to, but he can't because zeus is restrained by the decree of the fates
23:31:48 [Classic] What about Missin's point, everyone? Gods on different sides....
23:32:02 [Classic] Hi, Bernie! Welcome!
23:32:06 [lorca] seems typical of greek myth
23:32:21 [Joy] poseidon tries to make odyseu's journy home hard, but doesnt full out stop him from returning home.
23:32:27 [missin] I think in book IX or X Athens even stopped helping Odysseus at some point in respect to Poseidon
23:32:35 [thetis] where else have you seen this phenomenon, lorca?
23:32:38 [lorca] the feuds and caprices of the gods, using mortals as pawns, makes for great stories
23:33:09 [lorca] oresteia
23:33:11 [DooGoG] Polyphemus prayed for Poseidon to prolong the journey, but not to kill Oddy
23:33:27 [thetis] you're right, it does; the point of this course is to make us think what these stories say about human beings.
23:33:47 [wilson_bp] well... seems that the gods have their favourites, and they did their best to turn things to their advantage
23:33:57 [jessing] so then posiedon works within the limits of fate, but still has manuverability within his/Oddyseus' fate
23:34:17 [potterine] yea i agree... sometimes it seems like gods choose who they want to save
23:34:27 [thetis] now you're getting it, jessie (and others)
23:34:29 [potterine] for example, when odysseus prayed to zues, he was not moved
23:34:33 [wilson_bp] However, they had to limit their actions to keep the peace among the gods
23:35:04 [thetis] wilson: the also have to limit their actions according the boundaries prescribed by fate
23:35:31 [Kleonai1] starting from the point of view of the gods might be grabbing the wrong end of the stick
23:35:43 [Classic] Welcome back, tomato! Welcome, topace!
23:36:16 [Classic] There's an important point! Anyone want to pursue what Jeannie just observed?
23:36:31 [Classic] [Point of View....]
23:36:43 [potterine] who's jeannie
23:36:57 [DooGoG] Kleonai1
23:37:14 [Classic] Whose viewpoint *do* we see things from? [Jeannie = Kleonai]
23:37:17 [DooGoG] Men can change their fate though
23:37:38 [wilson_bp] Could it be that the gods mirror the Greek "government"?
23:37:46 [Kleonai1] I think that the gods explain phenomna more than create them
23:37:50 [thetis] can they, doogog?
23:37:53 [Classic] Welcome, Antigone! [Now *here's* a figure that's loaded for this discussion.... fate, responsibility....]
23:37:56 [DooGoG] like Achilles had two paths to choose from
23:38:01 [missin] man's viewpoint
23:38:45 [tomato] but Achilles is half God, rite?
23:38:50 [Kleonai1] For instance, how do you explain that good men die, if Zeus can save everyone he loves?
23:38:51 [Classic] What about Wilson's point? Are 'the gods' just a projection of institutional authority?
23:38:56 [antigone] Yes well Antigone was quite the heroine
23:39:01 [DooGoG] still mortal
23:39:27 [thetis] achilles was priveleged to know that he had a choice, but it didn't change any of the basic aspects of his life; wither of the 2 courses would be enacted without change.
23:39:28 [jessing] who created these myths? people of authority?
23:39:29 [lorca] in some senses yes, i'm reminded of athena restoring true justice to athens
23:39:36 [wilson_bp] Classic> I'm not sure, but it appears to me that the myths provide a great forum from government satire...
23:39:56 [thetis] jessie: these stories are as old, if notolder than, the greeks themselves
23:40:07 [lorca] instead of bloody familial acts of retribution
23:40:37 [Kleonai1] If Achilles had made a different choice, he wouldn't be Achilles
23:40:50 [Classic] In the Odyssey, is Poseidon an 'authority' figure? or is he more like the id?
23:40:52 [DooGoG] right
23:40:55 [wilson_bp] Then Achilles fate was sealed once he was born?
23:40:59 [Kleonai1] oops - that was really obvious
23:41:07 [DooGoG] he'd be outis hehehe
23:41:18 [thetis] jeannie: obvious things are worth saying!
23:41:38 [Joy] poesidon seems more like a petulant child who won't let go of a grudge
23:41:43 [DooGoG] Achilles' fate was sealed once when he joined the war, and I think he had one more chance when he removed himself from battle
23:41:43 [Classic] Hi, ajsthind! Welcome!
23:41:46 [Joy] instead of an authority figure
23:42:07 [thetis] well, what about the characterizations of the gods? what do you make of how the gods are protrayed?
23:42:10 [Joy] odyseeus punctures the cyclope's eye in order to escape. it's not fair to him that poseidon favors his son and sets out ot punish him as much as possible
23:42:26 [Classic] so what kind of god is *that*, Joy?
23:42:34 [brigit] But the characters in the Odyssey do have choices, they may have received divine advice too, but still they have choices
23:42:53 [DooGoG] If your son was hurt, wouldn't you want some kind of punishment for the culprit as well?
23:43:08 [Classic] Where/how does the Cyclops fit in the overall moral framework? He is the son of a god, after all....
23:43:31 [Classic] Hi there, rosefly! Welcomne!
23:43:33 [Kleonai1] but not very civilized
23:43:40 [lorca] in terms of personality, the gods are very "human" vs. their actual power
23:43:45 [thetis] a monster, even.
23:44:04 [Kleonai1] not nice to strangers
23:44:05 [lorca] odysseus does trick the cyclops using wine: an instrument of civilization
23:44:08 [thetis] what really separates the gods from human beings in terms of thier behavior?
23:44:19 [rosefly] hello all
23:44:27 [ajsthind] The Cyclops shows that even the highest of creations is still subject to the low moral stature of men
23:44:28 [Joy] the gods in greek mythology have human-like aspects. they are different from what we in our western, christian culture think of as a God
23:44:46 [topace] that's true
23:44:52 [jessing] this might sound like a strange analogy, but is fate something like this: a freeway, because you can change lanes and have a differnt journey (where manuverability comes in), but it only goes to one place?
23:45:11 [topace] the gods of greek mythology have very "un-God" like chracteristics
23:45:17 [DooGoG] I read that Zeus died, Greek gods can die?
23:45:34 [ajsthind] thats probably why there are god(S) plural
23:45:51 [thetis] jessie: not bad: you con only go forward, and there's one destination. no off-ramps or junctions...
23:46:11 [Classic] Can you expand on that, topace?
23:46:29 [topace] well
23:46:34 [wilson_bp] The Greek gods appear to be people with elevated powers?
23:47:07 [Classic] And what about DooGoG's point? that there's even a version that Zeus died?!....
23:47:40 [topace] the gods of greek mythology have very human characteristics, whereas God the Father in chirsitian religion is "higher" than the emotions of mere humans
23:48:19 [thetis] but the CHrsitian god does display some emotions: love, anger.
23:48:32 [ajsthind] if there was one god in greek mythology, than he would be as high as a Christian god
23:48:46 [topace] true...but he doesn't commit adultery or muder
23:48:52 [thetis] would he?
23:48:54 [singularty] sorry to ask, but which s/n is the professor?
23:49:01 [DooGoG] Because Greek Gods are to explain things back then with their limited knowledge of the natural world
23:49:11 [Classic] Greetings, Chicapu, Singularty! Welcome!
23:49:25 [thetis] what do we gain, or lose, by having not only multiple gods, but gods with distinct personalities?
23:49:33 [ajsthind] but if there was one god in greek mythology, we wouldnt consider it mythology
23:49:35 [Chicapu10] hello!
23:49:45 [Classic] I'm hiding, Singularty....
23:49:48 [DooGoG] why not?
23:49:59 [singularty] nod okay
23:50:20 [Classic] :-)
23:50:34 [ajsthind] because we wouldnt find the quarkiness and personalities that we see in greek myth
23:51:00 [thetis] ajsthind: we have judeo-christian mythology with one god
23:51:16 [lorca] to me it's absolutely fascinating when the Greek gods have all these characteristics, at some level i identify with their emotions
23:51:52 [lorca] for example I always wanted Poseidon to win Athens, but hey an olive tree is better than a puny spring isn't it?
23:51:55 [DooGoG] Maybe to make people feel closer to divinities as they share the same emotions and such?
23:52:13 [ajsthind] thetis: that is true, but do we think about in the same casual way as we do with greek myth.
23:52:19 [thetis] that is true, lorca; but does it lessen your identification with the moratl actors in a story?
23:52:41 [wilson_bp] hmm... the gods with their distinct personalities probably arised out of attempts to explain natural phenomenon. Later, the myths arose to try and link the various gods together and create an entertaining story?
23:52:53 [lorca] in some myths it does
23:53:07 [thetis] ajsthind: i do. myth is a way of explaing how the cosmos works, wheter you're an ancient greek or a christian inthe 21st century, as i am
23:53:08 [DooGoG] More than entertaining maybe
23:53:36 [DooGoG] So that people will remember them easily
23:53:37 [Classic] Now if we try to bring Helen back into this discussion (we started with her) where does she fit? She's got one divine parent, after all; so does Achilles.... Does that have anything to do with divine responsibility, how we see action and its consequences etc.?
23:53:40 [missin] or Gods represent some human's characteristics, good or bad?
23:54:00 [ajsthind] i personally dont think that people, in general, treat judeo-christian myth with the same casualness as greek myth
23:54:19 [singularty] they don't
23:54:24 [potterine] bye everyone... off to read the odyssey
23:54:50 [singularty] judeo-christian is still largely practiced, greek myth is considered by most as just stories
23:54:55 [wilson_bp] Hmm... Helen's fate was decided once Paris chose Aphrodite... but Achilles had the choice given to him...
23:55:06 [thetis] most don't, because one doesn't treat one's own belief system like a foreign entity.
23:55:14 [wilson_bp] fate lies on the decisions of man?
23:55:18 [Classic] [You may remember I mentioned last week that Helen and Menelaus had a cult just outside Sparta, where people dedicated offerings to them.... ????
23:55:42 [thetis] but consider how someone 3000years from now, when christianity is a dead religion, will treat it.
23:56:00 [Classic] Bye, Potterine! Thanks for coming by.
23:56:25 [singularty] I already consider christinaity on the same level as greek mythology, whether as just stories or not
23:56:39 [DooGoG] For the Greeks, myths are history weren't they
23:56:42 [ajsthind] hmm, christianity as a dead religion? that sounds interesting
23:56:44 [thetis] how so?
23:56:47 [singularty] once considered devling into greek mythology as a religion...
23:56:51 [missin] Gotta go too! See you all in class tomorrow!
23:57:11 [Classic] Bye, Missin! See you in class!
23:57:16 [ajsthind] certainly religions die off
23:57:21 [singularty] I find as much truth in greek mythology as christian mythology
23:57:23 [Classic] Hi there, vp! Welcome!
23:57:32 [lorca] they are all ways of life
23:57:53 [vp] hi
23:57:56 [lorca] if we fail to see that, i think we miss out on how deeply these intriguing narratives shaped their lives
23:58:01 [ajsthind] but i dont see that happening with christianity in three thousand years
23:58:14 [Kleonai1] I'm still wondering what Helen and Menelaos are talking about these days
23:58:15 [ajsthind] in fact i dont know why we are using the figure of three thousand years
23:58:17 [singularty] religion is just your own belief system
23:58:55 [thetis] singularty: that's one thing that i love about both: there's truth and beauty in each
23:58:57 [Classic] Wilson suggested a few minutes ago that Helen's fate 'was decided' once Paris chose Aphrodite. Any thoughts on that?
23:59:15 [thetis] 3000 years 'cause that's about how long Greek religion lasted
23:59:20 [singularty] don't the fates decide fate?
23:59:27 [ajsthind] helen's fate was predetermined by the fates
23:59:27 [Kleonai1] Aphrodite knew Helen would go along with it!
23:59:28 [wilson_bp] seems to me that the men decisions affect destiny...
23:59:31 [Chicapu10] Hate to jump from subject to subject, but what exactly were the sirens in the Odyssey? What purpose were they to serve?
23:59:49 [ajsthind] whats the time frame on that thetis?
23:59:53 [singularty] even if paris chose aphrodite, he could have easily just died, and then there's no obligation to helen
23:59:56 [thetis] chicapu: well, what so you think?
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00:00:10 [lorca] I suppose Helen could have refused/fought Paris' woo
00:00:13 [thetis] time frame?
00:00:24 [singularty] every decision shapes reality, man or not, man's is just written about
00:00:37 [ajsthind] approximate years?
00:00:42 [wilson_bp] but Helen was promised to Paris by Aphrodite
00:01:23 [DooGoG] She could kill herself?
00:01:24 [Kleonai1] Do the gods always make good on their promises?
00:02:05 [DooGoG] I think they do
00:02:11 [Chicapu10] I think they were another obstacle for Odysseus to overcome, but then again if it was, then what was the point of using beauty as an evil act?
00:02:11 [ajsthind] not always
00:02:29 [Kleonai1] Always in the way one expects?
00:02:45 [Classic] Develop that, Chicapu...
00:02:52 [singularty] you have to also consider that sometimes gods aren't really making the promises, prophets tell mortals how the gods think quite oftenly
00:02:58 [thetis] well, maybe closer to 200 years (about 400 CE on back). I was giving christianity longer than the greeks.
00:03:00 [singularty] what's to say the prophets are correct all the time
00:03:11 [thetis] oops. 2000 years.
00:03:38 [lorca] i don't think it's a question of right/wrong but interpretation
00:03:47 [wilson_bp] do the sailors actually "see" the sirens?
00:03:55 [wilson_bp] with their own eyes?
00:04:07 [Classic] Hi there, tuna! Welcome!
00:04:14 [wilson_bp] aren't they enticed just by the sirens voices?
00:04:25 [ajsthind] thetis, we can both ponder this question, but neither of us will be around to know
00:04:29 [ajsthind] 
00:04:43 [Classic] Put it this way - there are vase-paintings with Sirens. And what we especially do is hear them, of course.
00:05:11 [thetis] speak
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00:05:29 [ajsthind] haha
00:05:49 [brigit] See you all tomorrow.
00:05:52 [lorca] for me the sirens always meant what sounded/looked appealing wasn't always good for you
00:06:13 [Classic] Bye, Brigit! Thanks for coming along.
00:06:23 [ajsthind] helen also seems to exemplify that point
00:06:50 [Chicapu10] classics: I think in general beauty seems to be the root of all evil...although that sounds extremely horrible
00:06:59 [singularty] how far shoudl we be in readings now?
00:07:08 [Classic] Develop that one, ajsthind!
00:07:27 [thetis] i've gotta go, too. see you all tomorrow.
00:07:42 [singularty] I dunno if beauty is the root of evil
00:08:00 [singularty] but beauty makes men do dishonorable things I guess
00:08:06 [ajsthind] later thetis
00:08:11 [Classic] I'm afraid I have to go too - have to think of something to say tomorrow....
00:08:29 [lorca] not beauty, but perhaps an obsession with the ephemeral namely beauty
00:08:32 [Classic] Thanks for dropping in, thetis.
00:08:38 [Kleonai1] I'll skip out, too. I've got to think of something to say tomorrow, too!
00:08:39 [singularty] men are too willing to give up what respects they have made for themselves for beauty
00:09:11 [Classic] [This chatroom is open 24/7, though - so carry on as long as you like....
00:09:22 [singularty] paris is willing to take the woman from the hands of another well respected man to get the beautiful helen
00:09:28 [DooGoG] some women too!
00:09:32 [Classic] Thanks for coming by, Jeannie.
00:09:36 [lorca] thanks Prof
00:09:43 [wilson_bp] well, he didn't know that until after he gave his judgement
00:09:56 [singularty] I don't know waht to say about hte sirens, their voices could have simply been enchanting, I woudln't say that half bird half human individuals would be that attractive
00:10:01 [Classic] See you all tomorrow....
00:10:10 [singularty] it doesn't matter if he didn't know that
00:10:18 [singularty] he did supposedly go and abduct her
00:10:19 [ajsthind] bye professor
00:10:23 [singularty] hether she left with him willingly or not
00:10:24 [singularty] went there
00:10:25 [DooGoG] Bye
00:10:26 [Chicapu10] but because of beauty, wasn't that how the whole helen of troy happened?
00:10:34 [singularty] bye classic
00:10:39 [singularty] (professor in hiding)
00:10:42 [lorca] the accounts of her "rape" vary
00:10:49 [Chicapu10] bye classic
00:10:52 [Chicapu10] thank you
00:10:52 [singularty] was taht beauty or vanity?
00:10:53 [DooGoG] hehe
00:11:04 [singularty] competing to be the most beautiful....
00:11:39 [singularty] that comes along the lines of hubris, except that they are gods, which is a mortal sin
00:11:51 [singularty] if any of the 3 godly women characters were mortal and said the same thing, then they're done
00:12:12 [singularty] the gods are hypocritcal, so is that beauty or by their own codes ill actions
00:12:27 [Chicapu10] good point
00:12:32 [lorca] reminds me of arachne.....
00:12:46 [lorca] athena would not be trumped
00:13:58 [Chicapu10] alright, i must go now to read the rest of the Odyssey, thank you classic (prof. in hiding), and thank you singularty, good night
00:14:16 [singularty] uhh yer welcome
00:14:22 [singularty] thanks for the chat
00:14:57 [singularty] I guess I'll take my leave then too since the chat in the chatters has died down, arigato, konbanwa
00:16:42 [wilson_bp] adios, y buenas noches
00:17:47 [lorca] goodnight all
00:19:16 [greanleaf] goodnight everyone
00:24:39 [rosefly] nite
nite all
00:28:35 [Joy] ok time to go study
00:28:38 [Joy] bye
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