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00:38:09 [AnthonyB] Very good chat - see you all Tuesday!
00:37:58 [SuperG] Thanks everyone-see ya'll Tuesday!!!!!!
00:37:57 [JamieMatts] Good night.
00:37:45 [MaryEllen] goodnite all, it has been fun!
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00:37:38 [raindrop] all right, good night everyone
00:37:20 [ilana] nice chat everybody, i'll be going now... i have homework to do
00:37:16 [AnthonyB] In fact I'm going to have to bid you all Good Night - have to go and get something written up....
00:37:03 [JamieMatts] So, beauty Saves Hellen. Where as it destroyed lots of men.
00:35:51 [AnthonyB] (I suspect we had better defer the question of the phallic to another discussion...
00:34:45 [AnthonyB] ['Trojan Women']
00:34:30 [ilana] Although, looking for references to the phallus is putting our own assumptions into the story when they weren't there to begin with.
00:34:19 [AnthonyB] .... and then when he actually encountered her, one glimpse of her naked breast.....
00:34:03 [kosaki] u can find phallic symbols anywhere if u want
00:33:28 [kosaki] hahah
00:33:27 [AnthonyB] Menelaus was determined to kill Helen when he caught up with her....
00:33:07 [SuperG] Fear not, I did a whole paper on Roman Erotic Art last semester, so I'm used to it.
00:32:55 [raindrop] where is that moment, professor?
00:32:20 [AnthonyB] [Hmmm... I'm afraid Greek Myth does have a few phallic symbols lying around...]
00:31:49 [unirmnt2be] Well, thanks!
00:31:34 [SuperG] I'm just playing Mary Ellen!!
00:31:27 [raindrop] well, if it weren't for that oath all the men took when Menelaus claimed Helen, the Trojan War may not have happened on the grand scale that it did
00:31:19 [AnthonyB] Has anyone encountered the moment just as the war ends, when Menelaus catches sight of Helen for the first time in - oh - 15 years or so?
00:31:13 [ilana] menelaus did fight for her didn't he
00:31:13 [unirmnt2be] hmm.
00:31:09 [MaryEllen] sorry!
00:31:00 [ilana] you said it
00:30:56 [unirmnt2be] and Menelaus just welcomed her with open arms..?
00:30:48 [SuperG] oh no phallic issues!!!!
00:30:23 [raindrop] yes she did
00:30:19 [ilana] yeah
00:30:15 [MaryEllen] circe turns men into pigs, but when Odysseus threatens with his sword (phallic) she lusts for him
00:30:03 [unirmnt2be] After the Trojan War, Helen went back to Greece and stayed with Menelaus?
00:29:47 [unirmnt2be] Hello, anyone there..?
00:29:37 [raindrop] no it's not
00:29:26 [AnthonyB] How about those who claim it? for themselves, and for others?
00:29:25 [kosaki] raindrop> that's definitive
00:28:42 [raindrop] beauty corrupts those who desire it for the wrong reasons.
00:28:31 [kosaki] yes, of course...look at narcissus
00:28:30 [japalapa] beauty is fought over
00:28:01 [AnthonyB] so: what does beauty do? and to whom? and what is done to beauty? and by whom? and with what are these matched up? and where do they come from? and so on.... [and there are probably several different answers to each of those questions, too...]
00:27:38 [kosaki] or, are they the same?
00:27:33 [smlwong] as one of the major causes of downfall
00:27:30 [coolfreze] so it's dangerous to her son because they want to get rid of him
00:27:25 [kosaki] beauty or power?
00:27:12 [smlwong] could beauty also act in much the same way as hubris?
00:26:55 [coolfreze] even penelope's beauty is dangerous because every suitor wants to marry her even though she is older...
00:26:48 [ilana] so beauty is a cause for conflict as raindrop said
00:26:26 [unirmnt2be] yes, the prof. said that in the very first day in lec.
00:26:20 [MaryEllen] men seem to admire "masculine" beauty in other males, but desire, and therefore, fear or resent it in women
00:26:14 [ilana] and because paris chose aphrodite he was rewarded the most beautiful woman, helen
00:26:11 [raindrop] vanity
00:26:09 [AnthonyB] yes
00:25:46 [ilana] with the apple being "for the most beautiful"
00:25:30 [ilana] isn't the whole war begun over a beauty contest?
00:25:04 [raindrop] the gods are beautiful, save hephaestus, and they are feared. helen's the most beautiful woman in the world and there's so much conflict over her.
00:24:47 [AnthonyB] OK - in what form? and what circumstances?
00:24:21 [unirmnt2be] After the Trojan War, Helen went back to Greece and stayed with Menelaus?
00:24:15 [MaryEllen] beauty seems to be very dangerous and powerful
00:24:12 [SuperG] beauty maybe equals danger?
00:23:30 [AnthonyB] OK - back to the beginning again: how *does* Greek myth 'think' about Beauty?
00:23:20 [smlwong] and he did have to want to marry helen, first
00:23:04 [smlwong] did he, maybe, win some sort of contest, though?
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00:22:31 [windracer] because menelaus was chosen by her father, i think
00:22:11 [MaryEllen] I am only kidding, but being the most beautiful people, I imagine them to be narcissists
00:22:06 [AnthonyB] Taking MaryEllen's earlier point, about 'neurotic symbiosis' - take it one stage back: does Greek myth propose, say, 'neurotic', or 'symbiosis', would you say, in these relationships?
00:21:27 [kosaki] it's not like helen chose meneleus tho
00:20:25 [MaryEllen] well, I don't know how paris and helen hooked up, I mean really, think of the fight over the mirror!
00:20:23 [AnthonyB] Yes, Jamie. (Not quite 'for' Odysseus, but very close.)
00:19:23 [kosaki] hahaah :-p
00:19:14 [kosaki] it's like how meneleus and helen are like the modern day couple of football-player and cheerleader
00:19:03 [AnthonyB] [Following up on Kosaki's point: can you imagine, say, Agamemnon and Helen together? or Agamemnon and Penelope? Or Odysseus and Cassandra?.... and -well, you get the idea! Try some more like that...
00:18:28 [JamieMatts] Circe wove a robe for Odysseus.
00:17:53 [kosaki] it's why we get together in the first
00:17:46 [kosaki] of course
00:17:20 [MaryEllen] I do think we all have some sort of neurotic symbiosis with our partners, for better or worse, so to speak
00:17:15 [brittany] kosaki***
00:17:09 [brittany] i agree kosai
00:16:19 [kosaki] personally, i think all husband's and wive's are paired up pretty well...even if they kill each other
00:16:16 [raindrop] calypso...wait. that was a spell she put over odysseus
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00:16:06 [AnthonyB] Circe the weaver.... and what did she do with it (as it were)?
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00:15:36 [AnthonyB] Keep going, everyone - some good 'free-associating' going on here!
00:15:31 [SuperG] kosaki-good call!
00:15:23 [MaryEllen] did circe weave something?
00:14:53 [ilana] yeah
00:14:51 [raindrop] that's what the who's who says
00:14:32 [brittany] yes penelope and helen were cousins right?
00:14:27 [kosaki] arachne
00:14:09 [MaryEllen] I think kosaki is onto something! Penelope and Odysseus crafty matches
00:14:01 [raindrop] and then telemachus wove a web of deceit, somewhat, when he slipped out in the middle of the night
00:13:54 [AnthonyB] ... [applying one of my methodological questions]... who else deceived whom with weaving?
00:13:39 [raindrop] wasn't Penelope related to Helen?
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00:13:24 [kosaki] odysseu, weaver of strategem
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00:12:38 [ilana] penelope is a weaver, she fooled the suitors with it
00:12:33 [AnthonyB] (Just tracking some of our trains of thought....)
00:12:27 [MaryEllen] Penelope, weaver and master manipulator
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00:12:14 [cngarcia] has any one finished the book?
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00:11:51 [AnthonyB] Scylla - beauty turned to monstrosity - dangerous male(s) - monsters dangerous to males - ? beauty dangerous to males? - Scylla, Medusa, Helen, ... females dangerous to males (robes)... Medea, Clytemnestra, Heracles' wife... back to weavers... ? Penelope?
00:11:26 [JamieMatts] not by blood though
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00:11:05 [kosaki] haha good point ilana...didn't think of that one
00:11:04 [ilana] a god is her relative
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00:10:30 [ilana] well penelope is helen's cousin so that would mean that zeus is her uncle
00:10:04 [MaryEllen] "godlike" is used rather liberally, even the suitors are called "godlike" at one point
00:09:46 [kosaki] not to mention circumspect
00:09:27 [kosaki] or rather, goddess-like
00:09:16 [kosaki] being godlike and all
00:09:07 [kosaki] i think she did
00:08:45 [AnthonyB] ... the Big Question.... (did Penelope Know???)
00:08:43 [MaryEllen] but maybe she knew, since she came up with the bow challenge
00:08:26 [windracer] nono, eumaios
00:08:17 [SuperG] wasn't it the old nurse maid who cleaned o up?
00:08:09 [AnthonyB] ... someone we talked a bit about on Thursday....
00:08:08 [MaryEllen] no, the bed made her finally accept Odysseus
00:07:50 [kosaki] didn't she kinda know?
00:07:45 [JamieMatts] Penelope was drawn to him.
00:07:38 [kosaki] penelope?
00:07:18 [AnthonyB] Yes, Ilana! (Not Telemachus, though - he had to be told.) But who else recognised O?
00:06:31 [ilana] and telemachos
00:06:30 [AnthonyB] OK - we started with Scylla, and how Greek myth seems to express things that are not today considered 'civilised'...
00:05:59 [ilana] his dog recognized him
00:05:41 [AnthonyB] Hi there, raindrop! Welcome!
00:05:02 [SuperG] the scar
00:04:53 [raindrop] hello
00:04:51 [MaryEllen] scar on his leg
00:04:45 [SuperG] except for his old nurse maid!
00:04:35 [AnthonyB] [back to one of my trivia questions... How would you recognise Odysseus?
00:04:29 [klampe] Odysseus won Achilles' armor, but he doesn't seem to have a characteristic clothing. Maybe because variability is his identity?
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00:03:44 [ilana] when he returns to ithaca nobody recognizes him
00:02:55 [AnthonyB] ...yes... identity and disguise....
00:02:50 [MaryEllen] a beggar there too
00:02:14 [coolfreze] didnt Odysseus also disguise himself to get into the walls of Troy?
00:02:11 [AnthonyB] certainly women are the weavers [even though in large cities later there were professional workshops which had male weavers...]
00:01:31 [MaryEllen] or, dress gets inverted, like Odysseus disguised as a beggar, but is really royal, talking with his slave, Eumaios, who is actually a descendant of royalty
00:01:04 [SuperG] when a woman gives a man a robe, are we to assume that she has made it?
00:00:57 [AnthonyB] ....and what is their function/role in the world of [hero] males...
00:00:27 [ilana] so they're identity prevented them from killing each other
00:00:22 [AnthonyB] .... maybe configure them with beauties and monsters....???
00:00:00 [ilana] didn't glaucus and sarpedon exchange armor? because of the fact that they were xenos
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23:59:52 [AnthonyB] Someone might want to collect weavers of robes.... and what they do with them....
23:59:35 [kaitlin] well, achilles had god-made armor because he was half-god, right?
23:59:09 [japalapa] =)
23:59:07 [japalapa] hi
23:58:37 [AnthonyB] So is 'dress' maybe somehow, or sometimes, connected with Identity?
23:58:10 [AnthonyB] Hi there, japalapa! Welcome!
23:58:05 [domah] Thanks Anthony. Just trying to catch up.
23:58:01 [kaitlin] oops, not "the a god"
23:57:45 [kaitlin] and the a god made his armor
23:57:40 [AnthonyB] Try it and see, Kaitlin!
23:57:24 [JamieMatts] Patrocles wore Achilles' armour.
23:57:23 [AnthonyB] The centaur is Nessus - and he gives not a robe but his own blood...
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23:56:56 [kaitlin] are you counting armor in the category of "robes"?
23:56:55 [AnthonyB] Greetings, domah! Welcome!
23:56:55 [JamieMatts] Heracles wore a lion skin.
23:56:15 [AnthonyB] Yes, SuperG! Now - is it worth putting some other robes into this collection? and their originators?
23:55:42 [klampe] That's a different Nestor.
23:55:27 [gregchin] wasn't he one of the greek leaders during the trojan war?
23:55:22 [SuperG] Medea and Clytemnestra kill with robes, right?
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23:55:13 [gregchin] are you sure nestor was a centaur?
23:55:05 [AnthonyB] The two phials of Medusa's blood were (a) toxic (b) amazingly pharmaceutical...
23:54:21 [AnthonyB] [Robes.... - another good candidate for a major category, as I mentioned in class...]
23:54:07 [klampe] Nestor the centaur (unless I get the name wrong) gave the coat to his wife, who gave it to him, thinking it would protect him.
23:53:51 [JamieMatts] She didn't know it would kill him.
23:53:29 [JamieMatts] No, his own wife.
23:53:14 [jul0386] hera gave him a poisoned coat that killed him right?
23:53:10 [AnthonyB] Beauty ~ Montrosity.... Poseidon ~ monsters.... Beauty/Monster ~ Male Heroes....
23:53:07 [SuperG] That's right-thanks guys!
23:52:46 [JamieMatts] A centaur.
23:52:26 [SuperG] Whose blood killed Herakles?
23:51:50 [AnthonyB] Right, Kurt - but in the category of 'blood'.....
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23:51:26 [kosaki] right...and breed snakes
23:51:04 [AnthonyB] but there are *two* phials of her blood....
23:50:39 [JamieMatts] Medusa's blood could raise the dead or kill instantly.
23:50:35 [AnthonyB] Yes, Ilana - and SuperG!
23:50:32 [klampe] That was someone else's blood for Heracles, actually. But is there a connection?
23:50:31 [kosaki] isn't that how pegasus was born too?
23:50:04 [AnthonyB] Hi, linatra! Welcome!
23:50:02 [ilana] poseidon is her unlce as well as lover
23:49:45 [SuperG] the blood is like poison (how Herakles dies, I think)
23:49:40 [AnthonyB] Yes - and Medusa also has connections to Poseidon...
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23:49:02 [AnthonyB] Hi there, kosaki! Welcome!
23:48:47 [ilana] she's a gorgon
23:48:38 [AnthonyB] Anyone know about Medusa's blood?
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23:47:34 [kaitlin] hi
23:47:16 [AnthonyB] OK - so we have Scylla and Medusa and hero-males.... but also Helen and....
23:46:43 [AnthonyB] Hi, Kaitlin! Welcome!
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23:46:28 [windracer] hi!
23:46:27 [AnthonyB] Hi there, windracer! Welcome!
23:46:25 [klampe] But what does Helen say about her own life? She actually calls herself a female dog!
23:46:23 [AmandaA] might i ask what y'all are discussing? Penelope?
23:46:11 [AmandaA] Hello all
23:45:58 [AnthonyB] Hi, amanda! Welcome!
23:45:54 [SuperG] but look where the beauty of Helen got her!
23:45:51 [klampe] I meant, "like beauty."
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23:45:29 [klampe] Any extraordinary attribute CAN be a curse in myth, like myth. Thus one interpretation of the line, "those whom the gods love, die young."
23:45:29 [kimmy145] bluemnm> Jessie?
23:45:28 [AnthonyB] Careful not to import meaning until we have built up some of the basic categories that are at work - things aren't always what they may seem to us
23:45:26 [MaryEllen] Penelope is too good for me, I know I am supposed to embrace her, but she makes me sick
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23:44:53 [cwallace] beauty seems to be a reward in my view of this
23:44:49 [AnthonyB] Hi there, kimmy! Welcome!
23:44:39 [cwallace] in contrast with that, Penelope who is always described as circumspect, and isn't jealous or messing around with the suitors is made even more beautiful by Athene
23:44:19 [MaryEllen] yes, they become castrating figures, but beauty seems to be a curse too
23:44:16 [AnthonyB] Good!! And what then?
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23:43:41 [JamieMatts] Young women who are turned into Monsters tend to fight male heros. EX. Perseus killing Medusa
23:43:26 [AnthonyB] [The 'of what is this typical?' question...]
23:42:46 [jul0386] hello
23:42:35 [AnthonyB] Hi there, jul, azncuty, jody! Welcome!
23:42:01 [AnthonyB] Now we have several thematic elements to pursue: how is jealousy typically represented? What typically happens to young women that are turned into monsters? What about the opposite - beauty?
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23:41:38 [MaryEllen] from CM: scyllla, originally a sea nymph changed through the jealousy of Amphitrite, Poseiden's wife, because of jealousy
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23:40:40 [gregchin] glaucus and sarpedon
23:40:40 [AnthonyB] ... now - which gods, or types of gods?
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23:40:36 [klampe] There are many people named "Glaucus" in Greek myth. This often confused the ancients, too.
23:40:31 [gregchin] lycians allied with troy
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23:40:28 [gregchin] yes, glaucus was a leader of the lycians
23:40:19 [AnthonyB] OK - what do we have? Scylla and Medusa.... jealous wives.... philandering husbands....
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23:39:36 [AnthonyB] By whom?Good!! Ilana - and Jamie...
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23:39:00 [smlwong] wan't glaucus one of the warriors in the trojan war?
23:38:40 [JamieMatts] I thought Sylla rejected a Sea-God named Glaucus.
23:38:34 [ilana] medusa?
23:38:31 [klampe] hey, guys.
23:38:29 [smlwong] uh.. medusa?
23:38:24 [ilana] because of amphritite's jealosy?
23:38:17 [AnthonyB] Hi there, Kurt! Welcome!
23:37:57 [AnthonyB] ... got turned from a beautiful woman to a monster? Why?
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23:37:34 [ilana] and turned her into a monster
23:37:33 [AnthonyB] So, first question: who else had a similar experience to Scylla?
23:37:27 [ilana] poseidon fell in love with scylla, and his wife amphritite cursed her
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23:36:59 [AnthonyB] Good, Jamie! [though was it Circe?]
23:36:48 [MaryEllen] I have heard that Hera is often jealous, but she is not in The Odyssey...it is so hard to keep Zeus at home!
23:36:18 [JamieMatts] Scylla was a nymph who circe turned into a monster, correct?
23:35:33 [AnthonyB] Hi there, phsu! Welcome!
23:35:19 [AnthonyB] Birds are an important part of the larger natural world for humans, in the Greek view of things....
23:35:06 [smlwong] didn't the eagle represent zeus?
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23:34:31 [AnthonyB] Hi there, tmiao and SuperG! Welcome!
23:34:07 [cwallace] is this just another of the epithets that glues the whole thing together, or did the ancient Greeks have a thing for birds in their culture?
23:34:02 [AnthonyB] Who else had a similar background? experience? What other god behaved in a similar way? in similar circumstances?
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23:33:56 [cwallace] What are everyone's thoughts on the recurring bird imagery? Whether in dreams or in waking life, there have been numerous prophecies surrounding the connection of a bird(eagle, falcon) killing some other animals and Odysseus' return and slaughter of the suitors?
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23:33:23 [AnthonyB] And then: what other categories can you think of that this belongs to?
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23:32:45 [AnthonyB] So, with Scylla, for example: what's her story? what's the family background? etc.
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23:32:26 [smlwong] hi
23:32:06 [AnthonyB] Greetings, jhsu and smlwong! Welcome!
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23:31:21 [AnthonyB] Second question to ask: 'In what way is this [she/he/it/the motif, theme etc.] typical?'
23:31:19 [gregchin] the reading talks about odyssey
23:31:10 [gregchin] that and classical mythology
23:30:24 [cberletti] and thats what we're supposed to use richard graves for?
23:29:50 [AnthonyB] Or, if you like, 'what's the background and context? The 'story' behind all this?'
23:29:21 [AnthonyB] OK - first question always to ask: 'How did it/she/he/they get that way?'
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23:28:55 [cberletti] so it was just the cyclops' eye then
23:28:45 [AnthonyB] [cberletti - good question. think of Athena and Poseidon....]
23:28:44 [MaryEllen] because he put out his son's eye
23:28:10 [AnthonyB] An observation: there are two basic questions it's always worth asking, methodologically....
23:28:10 [cberletti] is it just because of the cyclops or is there more?
23:28:00 [cberletti] i'm slightly confused to as why Poseidon is so angry with Odysseus
23:27:44 [cberletti] thank you
23:27:31 [AnthonyB] Hi there, cberletti and Niltiac! Welcome!
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23:26:52 [MaryEllen] Yes, thank you
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23:26:26 [MaryEllen] you know...the expression: if looks could kill..well thank heaven they cannot!
23:26:13 [AnthonyB] I believe you're referring to Scylla, is that right?
23:25:44 [MaryEllen] this example expresses the power of jealousy
23:24:46 [AnthonyB] [Keep going, MaryEllen!]
23:24:09 [MaryEllen] she cursed her, I think for sleeping with her lover, some god, maybe it was Poseiden, help me out someone, I don't really know anything about mythology...yet!
23:24:03 [JamieMatts] Well, the Bronze age was at the "Dawn of civilization" for the Western world atleast wasn't it? Perhaps a new civilization starts to evaluate its more "primal" emotions.
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23:23:06 [MaryEllen] in our reading that six headed monster who eats Odysseus' men became that way over a woman's jealousy
23:22:48 [AnthonyB] Greetings, samfglase! Welcome!
23:22:47 [viceprez] r u talking about haveing affairs and such?
23:22:07 [ilana] could you give an example maryellen? i'm having trouble thinking of one off my head
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23:21:12 [ilana] in terms of having children with mortals and such?
23:21:05 [AnthonyB] A moment ago MaryEllen said: "some myths express what we try to hide in our "civilized" daily behavior"... how about that as a thought?
23:21:05 [JamieMatts] Right, the had fights among themselves too.
23:20:49 [ilana] did they also interact with humans like the greek gods did?
23:20:30 [gregchin] yeah, the nordic gods were similar to greek gods in the sense that they showed human emotions
23:20:02 [Gabb] Thanks
23:19:39 [ilana] were the gods significantly different?
23:19:31 [AnthonyB] Greetings, Gabb! Welcome!
23:19:30 [JamieMatts] Yes, weren't the Nordic Gods rather similar.
23:19:30 [MaryEllen] well...the god of the Hebrew Bible (old testament) expresses some very human emotion at times
23:19:20 [ilana] how about other cultures that were at a similar time as the greeks?
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23:18:59 [ilana] well jesus came much afterwards
23:18:19 [gregchin] john> hi
23:18:12 [coolfreze] they blatantly show human characteristics that we have, un like Jesus or other gods that are the complete opposite--perfect
23:17:25 [chang] gregchin> hi
23:17:20 [ilana] how are they completely different?
23:17:14 [AnthonyB] Greetings, viceprez! Welcome!
23:16:52 [cwallace] hey hey
23:16:48 [coolfreze] It also seems that these gods whom greek culture worshiped are completely different than other gods in different religions
23:16:36 [viceprez] hi everyone
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23:15:44 [MaryEllen] It just seems like some myths express what we try to hide in our "civilized" daily behavior
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23:13:45 [gregchin] i don't know if it's part of the spoils of war, but certainly primal drives seem to justify it
23:13:45 [AnthonyB] Hi, everyone! Sorry to be late - couldn't get a connection for some reason...
23:13:32 [gregchin] aggie and achilles did pick up concubines during the trojan war
23:13:28 [ilana] odysseus according to robert graves is the grandson of aeolus
23:13:16 [gregchin] i guess primal drives
23:13:15 [wmshort] Now it's filling up.
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23:12:58 [chang] hi
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23:12:46 [ilana] hello
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23:11:17 [MaryEllen] our primal drives....Freudian?
23:11:04 [sosho] this is sad
23:11:00 [MaryEllen] OK, I will start with a question for you all: We start with 3 female goddesses fighting over who is more desirable, then we have men fighting over the most beautiful woman in the world, and at the same time, the suitors are fighting over Penelope, is there some overarching idea that we are run by
23:10:59 [sosho] man im lagging
23:10:56 [gregchin] who else could be odysseus' father besides laertes?
23:10:45 [sosho] it isnt most recent on top for me
23:10:45 [gregchin] so let's dicsuss the trivia questions posted by professor bullock
23:10:44 [yinnout] *yes
23:10:35 [yinnout] hence the domain greekmyth.org
23:10:22 [john] so ..
23:10:20 [yinnout] s, this is the greek mythology chat
23:10:15 [yinnout] it scrolls most recent at top. i don't like that
23:09:44 [sosho] pretty scant on the ppl though
23:09:35 [sosho] yea
23:09:32 [john] supposed to be?
23:09:16 [cwallace] hey, is this the greek mythology chat?
23:09:15 [john] i mean.. text is at the bottom?
23:09:09 [john] no X_X.. should be scrolling down shouldnt it?
23:08:57 [sosho] hello all
23:08:54 [john] lol sosho
23:08:52 [chang] is n't it how it usually is?
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23:08:07 [yinnout] i don't like how the chat scrolls down instead of up
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23:07:38 [chang] g0su
23:07:33 [chang] abc
23:07:30 [yinnout] ... if that is indeed your real name
23:07:21 [yinnout] hi... chang
23:07:11 [chang] hi
23:07:05 [yinnout] interesting
23:06:56 [yinnout] wow i can change my font color
23:06:43 [yinnout] test
23:05:48 [gregchin] i will be pleasant and polite
23:05:25 [yinnout] hello
23:05:22 [john] lol greg
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23:05:02 [yinnout] whois chang
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23:02:47 [chang] yee jeff
23:02:44 [chang] lol
23:02:34 [john] christine doesn't want to come X_X.. lazymon~
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23:02:02 [chang] lolol
23:00:44 [john] the 2 people blamed for our group being late to discussion.. and we're early
23:00:33 [chang] 1 min early
23:00:33 [chang] lol
23:00:23 [john] we are early?
23:00:20 [john] lol
23:00:07 [chang] YEEEEE john
23:00:05 [john] sup chang
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22:55:32 [chang] JODY~
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20:01:20 [chang] =[
19:58:53 [chang] hmm
19:58:44 [chang] hi
19:58:36 [chang] hello
19:58:01 [chang] hi
19:57:54 [chang] T_T no one is here
19:57:51 [chang] hmm
19:57:36 [chang] hi
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